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mikestanley

Lifer
May 10, 2009
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1,126
Akron area of Ohio
I haven't popped a tin of McClelland Dark Star in quite a while. I opened a 50 gr tin from 2000 this morning. I remember really struggling to rub it out to a consistency that was smokable. I remember the flakes being thick and rock hard, you know, like asphalt. The tin I just opened has thin, uniform flakes like #27. They dry quickly and rub out easily. Is my memory flawed or does the thickness of Dark Star flakes vary?
Mike S.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,455
Is Dark Star still sold by McClellands? I don't see it under tinned or bulk McClellands blends on SP or P&C.

 

tarheel1

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 16, 2014
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http://www.pipesandcigars.com/pipe-tobacco/39957/mcclelland-dark-star/

http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mcclelland/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=156

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,455
Thank you, tarheel1. It sounds like my kind of Virginia blend. It's on my list.

 

delkhouri

Can't Leave
May 4, 2013
448
22
Columbus Ohio
It's been a while since I smoked Dark Star. But I remember not having luck with rubbing it out. I used to break it into narrow slivers and pack it vertically. Once I got it lit (which took a while) it smoked well. If I had some now, I would cube cut it.

 

kcvet67

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 6, 2010
968
0
Can anyone here confirm that?

It's not. I asked Mary McNiel about the rumors to that effect and she said that they have some of the same components bit aren't the same.

 

cobguy

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
3,742
15
Both start as lighter/lemon leaf Va's that are stoved, pressed and aged to a dark color.
I read somewhere that the biggest difference may be that #2035 is not stoved as long.
Darkstar is slighty sweeter and lighter than #2035 but they are VERY close.
Blackwoods Flake is running a REAL close tie with either of these for taste and ease of smoking.

 

planetary

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 4, 2012
165
4
SF Bay Area
People have observed the similarity between Dark Star and the bulk #2035 for decades, now.
Here's a review by the incomparable Paul Szabady from 1999 which makes the comparison:
McClelland 'Dark Star' (tinned): this begins as "bright, yellow, sugary,

top-grade virginia" that is "triple aged, pressed and stoved" resulting

in a black flake tobacco that is very similar to McC's bulk 2035, another

of my staple tobaccos. It doesn't contain the cutter-grade virginia leaf,

however, and is far easier to rub-out and to light. This is un-flavored

and with no top-dressing.
In short this is everything that BF was not: what I expected SJW to taste

like sans perique. The rich and complex taste and aroma of bright

virginia is maintained, losing only its bite and edge. 'What' you stove

has some bearing on the net result of the stoving process. This tobacco

clearly outdoes 2035 for me: it's richer, more refined, and with a more

complicated flavor and aroma. It possesses that savory 'salty' 2035

flavor and subtle sweetness; it's cool smoking, smooth, balanced and

refined. It starts out at a flavor/aroma intensity that is 'just right'

for me and then builds in the classic flake way. In short, superb. This

will definitely replace 2035 in my regular staple tobacco stash. I find

this to be what I expected of Samuel Gawith's 'Full Virginia Flake' and

which I did not find there. I'm about to climb out on the roof-top and

start ranting praise!

 

escioe

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 31, 2013
702
4
Planetary's post allows me to bring up something: if ever you have a question about Virginia flakes that have been around for a while, including the Gawith flakes and McClelland's, the #1 source of information is Paul Szabady's posts on alt.smokers.pipes circa 1997-2000. There is an utter wealth of information there. Greg Pease was also very active there in those days, plus Mark Tinsky, Irwin Friedman . . . I spend evenings from time to time searching various topics there.

 

peteguy

Lifer
Jan 19, 2012
1,531
908
I always thought of DS flake size as on the thicker side but not any harder than other flakes.

 

acutabovebriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 18, 2013
106
0
Patras - Greece
My method is to empty the tin on some kitchen paper and nuc it for 15 seconds. Put it back in the tin and open it again the next day. Still moist but not wet and you can rub it. Smokes great every time.

 
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