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CUP O JOES has Esoterica & Balkan Sobranie

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  1. cohibajoe

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    As the Title reads....CUP O JOES has Esoterica & Balkan Sobranie

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    Gone already. Esoterica is anyway. Balkan Sobranie is limit one per customer.

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    Gone already. Esoterica is anyway. Balkan Sobranie is limit one per customer.

    As of 9/18 2:37PM EST
    Pembroke 8oz, Margate 2oz, Margate 8oz, Pembroke 2oz, Dunbar 2oz, And So To Bed 2oz, Dorchester 2oz, And So To Bed 8oz and Balkan Sobranie 50g

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    I cannot imagine Balkan Sobranie selling out very fast. Why would anyone want to hoard Balkan Sobranie? Is it because they think it is similar to years ago when it used to taste good?

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    As of 9/18 2:37PM EST
    Pembroke 8oz, Margate 2oz, Margate 8oz, Pembroke 2oz, Dunbar 2oz, And So To Bed 2oz, Dorchester 2oz, And So To Bed 8oz and Balkan Sobranie 50g
    Ahh. I stand corrected. Upon visiting the site, I simply typed Esoterica in the search and it only brought up a few of the bagged Esoterica, all showing Sold Out.

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    Is it because they think it is similar to years ago when it used to taste good?

    Yep...according to someone, at least:

    We take great pleasure in reintroducing the original smoking mixture made from the recipe which reflects the excellent qualities of this famous pipe tobacco from years gone by. The Mighty Balkan Sobranie pipe tobacco has returned. The resurrection of this blend has been so well received there are continuing shortages. The mystique surrounding this blend from years past is well deserved. The special cut of Virginia & Perique has a place in almost anyone's rotation.

    "If you can't send money, send tobacco." - George Washington

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    They just have higher regards for this than I did. You just never hear anyone talking about this stuff, unless they mean the way it tasted over 20 years ago. Now, it's just,"ehhh..."

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    I've only heard criticism of this new run - never been interested.

    On another note, as someone who works nights, this was a great day to have insomnia. Sucks to wake up and have missed a quick-selling tobacco drop.

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    I like the new Balkan Sobranie, but not enough to pay $17+ for a tin of it when there are blends I like even better that sell for much less. I've never tried the classic from days past, for what that's worth.

    I would really like to get my hands on some Penzance for once! I was able to place an order for a 2 oz. tin a couple weeks ago when it was in stock at P&C, only to receive an email a week later stating that it was in fact out of stock and my order was cancelled I'm not one to put much effort into chasing "rare" blends, but I'd like to give Penzance a shot to see what all the fuss is about.

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    I would really like to get my hands on some Penzance for once! I was able to place an order for a 2 oz. tin a couple weeks ago when it was in stock at P&C, only to receive an email a week later stating that it was in fact out of stock and my order was cancelled I'm not one to put much effort into chasing "rare" blends, but I'd like to give Penzance a shot to see what all the fuss is about.

    I'm *trying* to accept that I will not ever try this blend. I'm just not willing to go through what is apparently necessary to score some.

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    I'm *trying* to accept that I will not ever try this blend. I'm just not willing to go through what is apparently necessary to score some.

    Some much for Email alerts...I just happen to check today and saw this was available. I was chasing last month and scored a very good amount. Ordered a few more anyway.

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    Some much for Email alerts...I just happen to check today and saw this was available. I was chasing last month and scored a very good amount. Ordered a few more anyway.

    Cohiba, are you finding Penzance using email alerts? I recall you were the one who posted the "in stock at P&C" thread recently. Thanks again for that. I would like to keep trying with the email alerts, and am considering doing the harass-brick-and-mortar-stores-by-phone approach. The one thing I refuse to do is pay fleaby scalper prices and support the "flipper" market.

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    TAD is bad enough without posts like these!

    But thank you.

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    There was a thread here a year or so ago opining that there was a change from the first recipe used by Germains, and that the difference between the first iteration and what later became available was striking (in favor of the second recipe), and that there was a very subtle difference in tin art between the two. The poster was more or less ignored. All that I have had was made in the last two years. I find it to be enjoyable. Like anything from Germains that I have smoked, it needs a lot of dry time.

    I first smoked Sobranie circa 1980, and it seemed like the recipe changed frequently, and not for the better IMO. Back in those days, the old geezers who trained me were already looking for what they claimed was the last of the family production, which as I recall was in 2 ounce pop top cans, like the pull tops Rattrays now comes in, except smaller. My best guess is that almost no one here has had the Balkan Sobranie made before the Redstone family sold out except as vintage tobacco.

    But what if? What if Sobranie had stayed a family company (at least as far as pipe tobacco - most of their revenue came from cigarettes)? What would the product be like today using the leaf that is available and the production techniques that would be feasible today? When the family sold the company, Joe Zieve of Smokers Haven moved everything from being a Sobranie private label over to Germains, where those blends have remained. They certainly had knowledge of some of the production techniques. So,there is a chance that what Germains is labeling Balkan Sobranie today might be very close to what an imaginary Sobranie family might be producing under that name today. Just a thought experiment.

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    Cohiba, are you finding Penzance using email alerts?

    No Email Alerts for any of the drops 2 months ago or now. And I am setup for many Sites we buy
    here. I was just checking during lunch and BINGO!!!! The last drop at P&C...I also checked out for Penzance 8oz...(I did get 2oz Tins)..After 2 day's I sent a Email about what is going on...I got a Dear Joe Email. I told them to Backorder the order. Let's see what happens.

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    I told them to Backorder the order. Let's see what happens.

    I did the same, and they refused to backorder it, telling me that they won't keep an item on backorder for longer than six months, and they don't expect Esoterica to be stocked within that timeframe. Excuses excuses. I advised them (in a fair and reasonable manner) of my dissatisfaction with their method of handling the issue, and their refusal to make good on an order that they (and their system) accepted.

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    I appreciate your post, oldgeezer. I think you’re probably correct.

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    I smoked Sobranie in the late 60's and early 70's both the cigs and the pipe tobacco. Liked them then, now BS doesn't taste good to me.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    In the early 1970's,I would occasionally splurge and buy a tin of the cigarettes. When I moved to Atlanta around 1979, the only places I found that handled the cigarettes were a few smokeshops, including the local Tinderbox stores. Without exception, they were always stale, so I quit buying them.

    For reasons that are now beyond my ability to recall, if I ever did fully understand them, distribution of what would now be considered specialty tobacco products was much wider around the end of the 1960's than it was only 10 years later. There really was a time when blends such as Sobranie, Escudo, Capstan, etc could be found in a decent Walgreen's or perhaps the best independent drugstore in a town too small to have a Walgreens.

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    My best guess is that almost no one here has had the Balkan Sobranie made before the Redstone family sold out except as vintage tobacco.

    I have. I used to smoke it quite a bit in the early to mid 1970's.

    When the family sold the company, Joe Zieve of Smokers Haven moved everything from being a Sobranie private label over to Germains, where those blends have remained.

    True. But what if he had decided on McConnell?

    So,there is a chance that what Germains is labeling Balkan Sobranie today might be very close to what an imaginary Sobranie family might be producing under that name today. Just a thought experiment.

    That's a very depressing speculation, considering how truly awful is Germain's version.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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    Personally I think Balkan Sobranie is delicious. I've never had the original. I'm a fan of the new stuff but I wouldn't pay the eBay tax. It's not that great.

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    There are dozens of better English blends, many made here in the USA.

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    Make aromatics great again.
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    Living outside US I gave up on trying to find Esoterica, going to stick to the closest blends.

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    I enjoy the new Sobranie too.

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    Duane, surely that horse bag doesn’t include Margate? I can take or leave the rest of the Esoterica line, but thou shalt not taketh mine own precious Margate.

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    Russ blended WhiteKnight by Hearth and Home to be a better match for the older version of BS. Give it a try. Plus, it’s usually availible.

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    Spot on, dave g!

    Russ blended WhiteKnight by Hearth and Home to be a better match for the older version of BS. Give it a try. Plus, it’s usually availible.

    I've got several new-to-me blends in my cellar waiting to be smoked, and that's the one I'm looking forward to the most.

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    Russ blended WhiteKnight by Hearth and Home to be a better match for the older version of BS. Give it a try. Plus, it’s usually availible.

    I did. Couldn't finish the tin.

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    [/quote]True. But what if he had decided on McConnell?[quote]

    Now that is an interesting thought. Since McConnell was subsequently sold to K & K in 1989, and no one from the McConnell family has been involved in the tobacco business since, the claim to access to old style production techniques would seem to be more attenuated at best. Wessex was made by McConnell for the US market and Alan Schwartz decided to continue with K & K. Faced with the identical decision,Marble Arch killed Elephant and Castle. (Big sigh).

    I fail to find anything offensive in the current production Balkan Sobranie. I suspect age will be kinder to it than it has been to me recently.

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    Sounds I will be Reviewing H&H WhiteKnight and the New BS this weekend. And a New Pipe to boot.

    I saw Pembroke 2oz is still available.

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    Sounds I will be Reviewing H&H WhiteKnight and the New BS this weekend.

    I did that some years ago, when I also had some of the Gallaher product from the 1980's to add to the fun.

    I did. Couldn't finish the tin.

    That's the problem I have with the Germain's product. I can't finish a bowl of it. I liked WhiteKnight better, thought it was closer to the balance of Balkan Sobranie, but truth to tell, I don't reach for it either. Maybe I've just lost any interest in this particular type of blend.

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    Is Pembroke worth trying as my first esoterica blend? I like cognac but ussualy avoid liquer flavored blends...

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    Yo eggro

    To me, there's a difference between liquor and liqueur in that the latter is syrupy and usually quite sugary sweet. I think of blends infused with cognac, bourbon, whiskey and even rum as only marginally aromatic in nature. As one who likes Penzance but loves Margate, I initially thought of Pembroke (and Smoker's Haven's Cognac) as gimmicks, even though the only difference was the addition of cognac to the base blends. When the opportunity for 4 8 oz tins of Cognac came up, I did several A-B trials among the 4 blends involved, and suddenly realized there was a definite synergy by the mere addition of cognac. I suppose the alcohol and random esters, alcohols etc. in the cognac actually react with the many chemical components in the tobaccos. The end effect was that I now prefer Pembroke to Margate, which I prefer to Penzance. If you like Englishes and Balkans, you will probably go for Pembroke. All the rest of the Esotericas are in a different class of taste profiles.

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    Lol so close but yet so far away

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    I should have just wrote licka. As I was writing it I knew someone would split hairs about the difference. I understand the difference, I just can't spell and somehow spell check accepted it. I meant the broader category encompassing whiskey, rum, cordial, etc.
    I was going through check out when I realized cup of joes is in NY as am I so the tax just about doubled the price so $30 for two ounces is a bit out of my comfort zone. Already it was more than my previously most expensive tins. So I've waited 25 years I can wait till PA or FL gets some. I'm gonna console myself with some 15 yr old, old dog...

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    Is Pembroke worth trying as my first esoterica blend?

    Pembroke is one of my favorite Esotericas, but Mac Baren's Plum Cake and The Solent Mixture are so similar to it that chasing it seems pointless.

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