What's with this cannot send to the U.S. if you buy with a credit card if the tobacco purchase is made with plastic?. It's on every website we have over here.
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Posted 1 year ago #
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I forget the specifics but it's the credit card companies' rules not the retailers.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Strange.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.Posted 1 year ago # -
May I ask what site you seen this on?
Posted 1 year ago # -
I believe PApipeguy is correct.
It probably goes a little deeper; into international banking rules.
Probably just too many hoops to jump through.
"Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill
Posted 1 year ago # -
I believe PApipeguy is correct.
It probably goes a little deeper; into international banking rules.
Probably just too many hoops to jump through.From what i have been reading it seems that several U.S. states have been pressing all the main credit card companies to stop their cards from being used to buy tobacco. Every major credit card company promptly banned buying tobacco from the U.S. Buying from a bricks and mortar shop requires proof of age. It is now a requirement with online buying, which is not possible. At the moment it is a 100% global ban.
From: "customerservicecenter" customerservicecenter@mastercard.com>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: Re:OtherThank you for your inquiry to MasterCard International.
We understand your concerns. However, MasterCard prohibits the use of its
cards for any illegal purposes. We have been notified by both federal and
state law enforcement authorities that the internet sale and shipment of
cigarettes to or within the U.S. by certain internet merchants violates
numerous federal and state laws, and we are cooperating with the
authorities to ensure that MasterCard cards are not being used for illegal
purposes.If you believe such transactions should be legal, we urge you to contact
your elected representatives to urge them to take action.Best regards,
MasterCard International
Customer Service Center
ej
SourcePosted 1 year ago # -
It is site dependent though, MrSnuff.com will let you pay with a card.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
-C. S. Lewis, English essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)Posted 1 year ago # -
From what I understand, if you want to make a purchase from any of those retailers, you need to communicate with them via an email and arrange a wire transfer of the funds for payment, or send an international money order.. just can't do it with a credit card.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Posted 1 year ago # -
My friend
Not sure i understand your situation but i am from Saudi Arabia and have ordered Pipes with tobacco from US websites and pay through PayPal while shipping using Aramex Express.
So far everything working fine, but i think there is some regulation regarding natural tobacco leaf at US customs to ship outside US.
Good luck
WasimPosted 1 year ago # -
Use your credit card through paypal, gets around te issue, also you don't have to give your credit card info to all your websites. Seems safer to me.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Hi.., I am from Dubai. I ordered Pipes with tobacco from US websites and pay through PayPal. I never noticed any problem in doing this. It depends on the site you are selected also. Use your credit card through paypal. It is the best way and try it.
Edit: Removed Link, L.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Or simply use 4noggins. Rich will ship anywhere, according to his site.
http://www.4noggins.com/about-us.aspx
John : The CobFather : Have Cobs, Will Smoke
Posted 1 year ago # -
I understand the sale to a minor is possible using a credit card for over seas sales; anything is possible. Even in the US. Does American Express prohibit tobacco sales going over Seas? I'd find that hard to believe if they follow the same rules as Visa. American Express is harder to get than a Visa or MasterCard.
Posted 11 months ago # -
I personally believe some of the American on-line retailers are using all kinds of excuses, but it comes down to conversion fees involved with them accepting plastic. The card companies charge them, plus they end up loosing when Pounds, Euro's, Saudi Riyals, or any other foreign currency is converted to American Dollars at 'that days exchange rate'.
Steve 'Top' Downey
Master Sergeant
USMC - RetiredPosted 10 months ago # -
It's to save the children, and yes, it's the credit card companies rules.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Yes, let's not confuse the topic, the OP is asking about an American using a credit card to purchase tobacco from a UK based shop. The card companies, a few years ago, complied to a vague Government mandate pertaining to cigarettes, but broadly interpreted it to encompass all tobacco, to save themselves hassle and/or the heavy hand of government/anti's/whatever coming down on them.
As stated above, tobacco can still be purchased from the UK, it just takes a bit more delicacy.
It had better be tobacco you damn well love though, as it will cost you major dollars.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Some credit card companies have certain countries banned so that you can't order even pipes from them. I'm a recent testimony to that but, the credit union I got the card from lifted the ban so I could order from the UK.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Yep,sooner or later it will all be gone.
Smoking a cigareete is like watching tv,Smoking a cigar is like watching a good movie,Smoking a pipe is like reading a great novel.Posted 4 months ago # -
Top, credit card companies rob their customers when it comes to currency conversion, they do not lose money. If the Euro is at say 1.30 today, they will wack you up to 1.35 and call it a conversion fee. Citibank had a class action law suit against them years ago for going way overboard on these fees and had to settle a claim. I ended up getting a stupid little check from them. Back in the day I would ask my CC company what the conversion fees were and use the company with the lowest.
Guys this is just the beginning, soon every credit card company and processor will be telling every on line retailer they will not allow tobacco sales, it is just a matter of time. Right now the smart etailers are using processors who allow it, then there are dummies like Mars who actually will not ship to 5 states including the largest in the nation so he can save money with the processor he is using. I am sure the processors who are allowing tobacco sales are charging higher rates.
HarrisPosted 4 months ago # -
I don't know if this is the case with Mars or not, but some of those states he does not ship to may require customer information that he does not wish to provide. In Ohio, if they do not charge the OTP tax, they are required to provide the name, address and order information of the customer. Some B&Ms here that ship out of state eat the tax and some have it built into their price to avoid the issue.
I'm not saying that Mars is taking the high road as it may indeed be just avoiding processor fee's, I do not know, I'm just saying it could also be to not send detailed customer information to that state. I think some of those states may require customer information regardless. In any event, there will be a time when we cannot use our CC to purchase pipe tobacco.
Posted 4 months ago # -
To go a bit further than Mr. English's comments on this, a vendor who does provide a customer's personal information to comply with some state's regulations may well find themselves with bigger problems -- handing anyone private information like that (address, phone number, banking and credit card info) can, and likely will eventually, have such a vendor find themselves in a law suit.
A few years ago, I remember Lew Rothman (JR Cigars) developed a new policy where a customer was required to provide a copy of a "legitimate" I.D. card, such as a copy of their driver's license, to place any tobacco order with them. That went over like a fart in church and it immediately because a hellacious management challenge -- not sure if/when they dropped this, actually.
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I am sure Mars could be using the same processor that p&c and smokingpipes uses and they have no issues. JRcigars requires no proof except checking a box, I ordered from them recently.
Retailers need to be smart about this if they want to survive. Lil Brown smoke shop wanted me to jump through hoops to order from them, I said forget it. They lost business. Why is there no hassle with p&C, smokingingpipes, 4noggins, because they are smart business people. Hell even cup of joes who ain't the brightest bulbs are easy to order from. The retailers who are having issues are having them because they are not doing their homework to find the right processors. I know tobacconists overseas who sell Cuban cigars into the states that have no issues with Mastercard or Visa or American express.
Posted 4 months ago # -
I think it has a lot to do with the conservative mindset, "well that's the way we've always done it," or "that's the [bank/insurance agent/lawyer/etc.] we've always used."
Most on line vendors are actually B&Ms that also sell on line. B&Ms are, by nature a conservative bunch.
If you go back and read that long-ass thread here a couple months or so ago about Just For Him cutting off their nose to spite their face RE: credit cards, that very nice but a bit anal (no offense intended, really seemed quite intelligent and nice) woman, after dozens of posts on her verbal treadmill, finally cut to the chase and, after talking to another B&M/tobacconist, just changed her CC processor.
In business, especially today and in this economy, those small businesses who think out of the box can do well, those who stick to "the way we've always done it" with blinders on? Well McDonald's is hiring those people.
Posted 4 months ago # -
Well McDonald's is hiring those people.
if they can't get on at McD's there's always the TSA
I Enjoy Aromatics
I Enjoy Peterson PipesPosted 4 months ago # -
Booooo Mastercard for thwarting me on my attempted order of some 8oz Penzance this morning!! You should be ashamed, sirs and madames. Boooooo.
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Help, I'm a cop!Posted 2 months ago # -
It is site dependent though, MrSnuff.com will let you pay with a card.
+1
There's nothing quite like tobacco: it's the passion of decent folk, and whoever lives without tobacco doesn't deserve to live.
-MolierePosted 2 months ago # -
When we get a one world government, maybe things will change. God help us all after that.
Posted 2 months ago # -
I actually used to work for a large credit card processor (worst year of my life...) - the rules and regulations involved both on the part of the processors regarding their merchant customers and on the part of the processors regarding local, state, and federal mandates will make your head spin. Card fraud is big business - and yes, the card companies tend to err on the side of caution if it looks like the regulators might have to get involved or if it looks like they might lose more money. The amount of money involved in tobacco taxes is likewise enormous, and thus you wind up with smuggling, tax evasion, and identity theft in order to either save some dough or cash in (depending on which side of the transaction you're on).
Really, it's been part of the landscape since the fledgling U.S. Government imposed the first excise tax on whiskey, sparking the Whiskey Rebellion... only now we've got credit card companies involved as well. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...
Posted 2 months ago # -
No matter what CC's do, where there's a will there's a way. I'm lining up an international order where the person is useing his own paypal account to recieve the money, and then running it through the store.
Tobacco will be purchased as something other than it is, an herd, a classic tin (ebay does it now). The CC's are the least of the Nazi issues we have to deal with in the near future. The current bills are so vague there's no chance of them passing. The Internet lobby is still strong enough to string it out for a few years, but it will come some day. To much money for the government not to get its hands on. My money is on them useing a ploy that pits hitting medicare against Internet income to push it through. The tax will slaughter 1000's of Internet based stores and do far little to the B&M that they claim will prosper. Just because a few of your items will compete with the Internet, Walmart will stomp 90% of your products so it won't save the store.
On and on and on...
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick HenryPosted 2 months ago # -
It used to be all abut saving money and while the savings are still there and important, I think we're so used to buying on line now, we'll still be buying most things on line whether they're taxed more and/or cost more. so easy to find stuff we want, shop various vendors for the best price, etc. It's just too damn convenient.
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