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    The youtube channel of Cigars International (parent company of Pipes and Cigars) is terminated.

    This account has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations.

    Deceptive Practices? Misleading Content? Yeah sure.

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    Russ' videos from P&C are still up, for now.

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    I guess that sometimes a cigar isn't just a cigar.

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    They should have never have uploaded that video about Captain Monochromatic grape flavored tobacco absolutely guaranteeing that it will make you more attractive to the opposite sex!

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    But all the videos showing marijuana smoking and all its iterations are still there. YouTube is also heavily censoring gun channels.

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    There may be some issue that got adversarial, so we'd have to know more background. However, the various online "providers" like youTube and Facebook have gone in a tailspin about taking some responsibility for their content and, apparently, don't yet know what they're doing, so it is likely to be crazy for some time to come. I believe it is Facebook that has started labeling political messages and is sometimes getting it wrong, reportedly designating a benefit supper at a restaurant that was non-political as a political message. So expect lots of wacky judgement calls all over the place for some time to come. Then the hackers will weigh in and start labeling and/or canceling things, and the fun has just begun. The digital world has reached its adolescence and is in trouble with its IT parents, the police, the government, its consumers, and everyone else.

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    Another reason to hate Google. The totalitarian censorship of the Big Tech companies...

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    Maybe I need to stir the pot and do more videos.

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    This thread gives me bruxism, especially since I know I can't say a damned word without it being mislabeled "politics" and being shut down.

    A man who serves his country is a patriot. A man who serves his government is an employee. The two are not always the same thing.
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    'Bruxism' is that caused by smoking Mixture 79 in a vintage Dunhill ?

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    Why would you ruin mixture 79 with a Dunhill?

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    Is mixture 79 really that terrible?

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    Is mixture 79 really that terrible?

    No. Dunhills are.

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    Man, that was one long setup for Jesse to hit the snare.

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    YouTube is also heavily censoring gun channels.

    Yep, that was the beginning, and now tobacco. Pretty soon, it will be non-conformist opinions. Welcome to 1984.

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    "Man, that was one long setup for Jesse to hit the snare."

    Bada Boom!

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    Dogs live such short lives... and spend most it waiting for us to come home
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    Awwww...c'mon George, it WAS the perfect set up! How could you expect me to resist it?

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    Agreed.

    I had to maintain my reputation for curmudgeonliness, however.

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    Its fake news I tell you! I was told that Jesse believed that anyone who didn't worship Barlings may possibly be a sexual prevert!

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    Oh my.

    The 21st century is certainly an interesting time.

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    So, then, we are all blessed, I guess.....

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    ...may possibly be a sexual prevert!

    may?

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    psssssst...

    I heard that Harris doesn't like Barlings....

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    "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

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    I heard that Harris doesn't like Barlings....

    Proves the theory.

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    As Brad said, these are the good old days.

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    There are a host of cigar companies and cigar oriented publishers on YouTube. Does any of this mean that the curtain will go down on them as well?

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    @dmcmtk

    Another reason to hate Google. The totalitarian censorship of the Big Tech companies...

    The thronging masses demand it of Google so they are fine with it. I think there has been a swing towards totalitarian thought these days. I was recently confused by hearing some young people say that a government controlled Internet was a "free" Internet. Times have changed. Now censorship and control promote freedom. I'm hoping this is some sort of temporary insanity, but I don't know....

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    Don't be evil...Google hates competition.

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    Use duckduckgo instead of google.

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    I like startpage.com

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    I've heard it mentioned on Facebook that some of the gun guys are starting to post their videos on PornHub.... Do you think we'll see pipesandcigar videos there now? I mean... boobs and briar.... just sayin.

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    Youtube is a private company. They can do as they please. There are on longer any rules requiring free and open access on the Net. Anyone can now shut out anything with which they disagree.

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    Youtube is a private company. They can do as they please.

    Sure...as long as they limit their discriminating to the unprotected, non-pc, scapegoats of society. But if huge entities like YT & FB started banning groups or interests that have political protection, they’d find out real quick where the limits of their private company rights are.

    But they already know that, and are just following an agenda.

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    So what does it cost to get government “protection”. I mean, it’s a nice little business that CI has going there. It would be a shame if something was to happen to it.

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    Is mixture 79 really that terrible?

    Not bad at all. I just despise Dunhill pipes.

    So what does it cost to get government “protection”.

    Convince the world that the condemnation of pipe smoking is offensive.

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    Jeez folks, if you don't like YouTube, don't go there. Same with other websites that offend you. Better yet, start something similar, with your own set of rules. Perhaps you can become a billionaire or, lose the entire investment. Go ahead ... take the risk. Seriously, I'll be pulling for your success.

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    Jeez folks, if you don't like YouTube, don't go there. Same with other websites that offend you. Better yet, start something similar, with your own set of rules. Perhaps you can become a billionaire or, lose the entire investment. Go ahead ... take the risk. Seriously, I'll be pulling for your success.

    Or, existing business could stop discriminating against people they disagree with. As brian64 mentioned above, if youtube tried this BS on a protected class, they'd find out real quick what their limits are.

    This whole "start your own business" is a great idea, IF you remove ALL protected classes. If you're not willing to do that, then people criticizing youtube have a legitimate complaint when they discriminate against certain classes of people.

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    Or, existing business could stop discriminating against people they disagree with
    Sorry, but I'm of the mind that a private enterprise is free to pick and choose with whom they conduct business. That would include YouTube, The Red Hen and the wedding cake bakers. Otherwise, you are leaving it up to the government to decide the who,what when where and how of how a business operates. Sure , they do a good bit of it now, but you really want to add more? As a small business owner myself, the government already knows exactly who I do business with, how much I am paid, and how much of my hard-earned money they are letting me keep. I also serve as an involuntary tax collection agent. I certainly don't need them telling me who I have to do business with.

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    Woods, I don't think the issue is with businesses being able to pick and choose who they do business with. I think it's more about having a virtual list of people you can choose reject, and a virtual list of people you can't choose to reject. In my mind, equality and protected classes are not compatible concepts.

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    I've sympathized with individuals on either side of the issue of local, state, or federal statutes, laws, and regulations. My canary in the coal mine (warning sign) is when I or others begin to speak or act in ways strange to themselves in order to placate authorities at some level. We all do a lot of that just being socialized to civilization. Most of high school is a boot camp to force people to observe social norms, their own natures be damned. So deciding these situations is always a balance, hopefully done with a lot of delicacy so as not to screw-yank each citizen into an intimidated knot. As long as we all feel resistant and somewhat resentful, there's hope. I'm a big proponent of public schools, possibly because I was lucky enough to attend really good ones, but a recommendation for home schooling is that people don't get compromised so much so young, except of course by their parents. C'est la vie. Some parents are much worse than public schools, alas.

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    It's akin to owning a newspaper. Why do it if you aren't going to air your own beliefs. If one starts a company and the goal is money and social engineering, or simply appealing to specific groups ... well, it's a business model which, in today's market, is proving wildly successful. The young folks, and many older, love their social causes. Many companies tout their social agenda these days to appeal to specific audiences/demographics. One person's discrimination is another's "right to association." If you are not part of the target audience, find another product to use. But, the very idea that a company must pander to everyone and not offend is anathema to me.

    YouTube is selling a product and the "right to refuse service" varies around the world. So far they've stayed on the right side of the various laws. We are not talking about "heating oil", water, electricity, and the like, basic needs, usually government regulated.

    I know we've had members here who are/were offended by the "no politics" rule. Members get tossed now and then, some are warned and muzzled. They can be offended, silently though, and stay or, they can move on. We all have the right to offend and to be offended Being discriminating and choosing not to use services or products which offend you is a good kind of discrimination. But, expecting all companies to meet your needs or desires is going to make you feel the victim when one, you may value, fails to cater to you.

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    "But, the very idea that a company must pander to everyone and not offend is anathema to me."

    Exactly. Which is why all this bullshit about Red Hen vs. No Gay Cakes just kills me. If you want the right to dish out some lumps, then be prepared to take some lumps without whining about it. Good for the goose and good for the gander, I say. I just draw the line with, "you can toss this person out of your shop no problem, but if you toss that person out you're getting sued for discrimination". And if we want to pretend that that's not going on, then we're being somewhere between disingenuous and outright liars.

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    And for the record, I am not offended by the "no politics" rule. I am annoyed that anything vaguely controversial is often mislabed as "politics" to force it to fit into the "no politics" rule. As always, anyone who finds this place overly objectionable can feel free to go inhabit another forum.

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    In my mind, equality and protected classes are not compatible concepts.
    Of course.

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    Are you agreeing, or commenting on my skewed state of mind? I'm actually being sincere, for once.

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    Oh, no. I agree with your statement. Once you start designating select classes for exceptional treatment (good or bad), you enter the slippery slope. Effective efforts must be made to ensure that any given class is not treated in a lesser manner than any other group.

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    My take? It's unfortunate---tragic really---that the Internet is so clogged with pipe and tobacco discussion that people must go to sites like this one to argue about politics and other unresolvable subjects.

    There's simply nowhere else to do it, though. I definitely understand.

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    In my mind, equality and protected classes are not compatible concepts.

    They're not entirely incompatible, either. Freedom has been expressed as the right to say no, but there are a lot of conflicting "no"s out there, many of which also conflict with Constitutional protections. It would be great if we could just self govern without statutes, but that notion proved to be a mess after the Og and Erg cave tribes massacred each other over that woolly mammoth pelt. People are flawed, complex, and often seemingly paradoxical. So are our "solutions".

    Youtube can do what it wants within Constitutional limits. You can boycott youtube, or start a competing service, or just post your own stuff however you want to, at least until your ISP decides to slow or block your access, and/or charge you extra fees for the privilege of expressing ideas with which they disagree, which they are now allowed to do.

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    "Youtube can do what it wants within Constitutional limits."

    It can. No argument there, certainly. We're just passing judgement on how crappy or not it is for them to do so.

    "My take? It's unfortunate---tragic really---that the Internet is so clogged with pipe and tobacco discussion that people must go to sites like this one to argue about politics and other unresolvable subjects.

    There's simply nowhere else to do it, though. I definitely understand."

    Yeah, it's real tragedy, George. My heart aches for how much it must upset the delicate balance of your life. We'll all fuck off now so everyone can go back to talking about you.

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    Sorry, but I'm of the mind that a private enterprise is free to pick and choose with whom they conduct business. That would include YouTube, The Red Hen and the wedding cake bakers. Otherwise, you are leaving it up to the government to decide the who,what when where and how of how a business operates. Sure , they do a good bit of it now, but you really want to add more?

    My preference would be to go back to the days where property rights and freedom of association were protected Constitutional principles. Those days are long gone though. We've decided as a society that private business are "public" and subject to all manner of interference from government as to who they can choose to associate with or do business with.

    That being the case, if class x gets protected from "public" business discrimination, then why is my "class" any less important? Because the mob says so? I thought we were against creating second class citizens.

    I just want consistency. Either protect no one or protect everyone equally.

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    And for the record, I am not offended by the "no politics" rule. I am annoyed that anything vaguely controversial is often mislabed as "politics" to force it to fit into the "no politics" rule.

    Exactly. It seems like a lot of people get discussions about policies and politics confused.

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    mso489, a very good comment.

    Unfortunately, it seems the days of a CIVIL SOCIETY, where people can politely agree to disagree, are fast disappearing, or maybe they already have......

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    All those dead and dying pipe forums. The why being obvious. You'd think people would look upon all that digital carnage and say, "Not here, dammit!"

    But... no.

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    Unfortunately, it seems the days of a CIVIL SOCIETY, where people can politely agree to disagree, are fast disappearing, or maybe they already have......

    I'm not sure that ever existed. In the 19th century, members of Congress used to cane, knife, and shoot each other over differences.

    True, people didn't swear on radio, TV, or in movies. And people dressed up for public hangings, and beheadings, so there was that.

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    I'm not sure that ever existed. In the 19th century, members of Congress used to cane, knife, and shoot each other over differences.

    Sure, but we would hope in the 21st century, perhaps naively, that the idea of a civil society would evolve...and be concerned, no matter where one may stand on a paticular issue, when it appears to be devolving.

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    And people dressed up for public hangings, and beheadings, so there was that.

    People don't dress up for anything anymore. Maybe if I wore I tie more often they'd bring back public executions.

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    I'm not sure that ever existed. In the 19th century, members of Congress used to cane, knife, and shoot each other over differences.

    And what did that lead to?

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    Human nature will never change. This country is as contentious as it has ever been. I agree that exclusion is a slippery slope, but it is still for me worth navigating. Until it becomes a hate crime or denies life saving service, I think a business should be able to refuse service to anyone. Sarah can go to Mickey D's, the gay couples can get better cakes somewhere else, and CI can post their stuff on a different site.

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    And what did that lead to?

    Special elections.

    People don't dress up for anything anymore. Maybe if I wore I tie more often they'd bring back public executions.

    Well, as George Jessel said about Harry Cohn's funeral, "Give the people what they want and they'll come."

    But mores have changed a little. These days it wouldn't do to bring along the kiddies and a picnic lunch.

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    I think taking the kids, depending on their mental maturity, their ability to understand, to a legal execution would be a great teaching moment with regard to actions have consequences. This would be particularly true for a botched hanging complete with kicking feet, gagging and gurgles, suffocation rather than humanely snapped neck. Of course, I speak only for myself and from my rather jaundiced view of homo sapiens (which in itself is a misnomer). "Wise man" my arse!

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    Public executions. I can see it now as a reality TV show called 'Chip off the old block' sponsored by Wilkinson Sword razor blades and BIC for the quickest beheading!!

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    Government executions, the only subject I disagreed with Charles Krauthammer on. I wrote him and pointed out that the recidivism rate for executed criminals was negligible. He still clung to the believe that judicially ordered executions were not all that civilized. He was right of course but, I'm not all that civilized either.

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    I wrote him and pointed out that the recidivism rate for executed criminals was negligible.

    True and that's a benefit. I've always thought that capital punishment also establishes the value of human life. If someone rapes and kills your daughter and gets 25 years of hot meals and cable TV, then society is sending a message that that's all your daughters life was worth.

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