Hi all,
hope to be in the right blog to ask an help about a Charatan's nomeclature.
I think it's an hold pipe, and it's stamped EXTRA. Never saw on any Charatan's.
May someone help me?
Thanks in advance
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Posted 6 months ago #
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You got a picture of this thing laying around somewhere? If you do, see if you can post it, or shoot it to me in an email. Ill take a look at it for you.
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Thank you. Yes I got a couple of pictures, and please if you can tell me your mail i'll send you immediatly
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Alternatively, you could try to post it up here and we could all get a look. I mean, there isn't one of us who doesn't love to ogle others briar...
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A few will leave you wandering around wondering who you are .Posted 6 months ago # -
On a Chartan, that typically is stamped "Extra Large". Perhaps someone buffed off the "Large" stamping? See this ebay pipe:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHARATAN-DISTICTION-EXTRA-LARGE-PIPE-/380363221962Definitely post a picture, unraveling these details is always fascinating!
A closeup of the "CP" on the stem is also helpful
Al
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Thank you very much all.
But no it's not and Extra Large buffed away.
Ehmm, pleasew how can i post a pic......
Thank youPosted 6 months ago # -
I upload my photos to Webshots.com, than chose "share" and copy that string directly into a reply message on the forum.
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/580214182PQQLgyPosted 6 months ago # -
well, by my know it's surely a very old pipe, because the CP on the stem it's very thin, and the P is compenetreted by the C. The stem it's not a Double confort,and the size it's around a generous "modern" 4 Dunhill. It seems to be a Dunhill billiard of the early '60.
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Posting an img seems pretty simple, click the img button insert the direct link ( i use photo bucket ) and that's it
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hope everything it's correct. LOLPosted 6 months ago # -
With no X or DC near number and due to the shape of the stem i can only assume that's a pre Lane era Charatan pipe
turn on,tune in,drop outPosted 6 months ago # -
well I think so me too, but what I have never seen it's the "EXTRA"
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Taking a look at the Pipedia website, the markings indicate that this pipe could have been made anywhere from the early to mid '60s all the way up to the early '70s, according to their date guide. Unfortunately, I couldn't get any information that was more specific than that, but in any case, it looks like you've got yourself a fairly old pipe that, from the photos, appears to be in pretty good condition.
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Thank you very much. Well conditions are really excellent. The real reason I bought this pipe it's that I never saw a Charatan's stamped EXTRA.
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There is a Charatans Collectors Society and this link has an email for a member who appears well versed in Charatans:
http://pipesmagazine.com/blog/pipe-collecting/international-charatan-collectors-society/I don't find any "Extra" stamped pipe references anywhere on the web.
I did recently read Charatan was described as "a drinking club with a pipe making problem" as oddities abound.
Know that you know how to post pictures, lets see the rest of that baby!
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I just uploaded another pic of this strange kind of Charatan's. It's a very very normal shape, except for the stamp.
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nice looking pipe. iam sure you have old charatan pipe. i hope you love the pipe. i have 4 x-outs. 1 pot bellvedere with the L marking,number 2655DC.1 odd shaped- apple panel? perfection #4 numder 203573. 2- after hours,both are straights, 1 stamped with a 1 on the shank, it has been burned out where the markings would normally be. the other it is stamped with a # 3 on the shank, it is a bellvedere, both marked made by hand. love all 4. i plan to buy a estate charatan soon, and will continue to buy them as often as possible. good luck to you. my name is mike lyvers. my email is mike.lyvers@insightbb.com. take care to you and all.
mike lyvers.
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That is a classic looking billiard! My After Hours billiard has some odd stampings as well, only a #3 on the briar. I think Charatan had some quality control issues in those days, but they sure smoke well!
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My After Hours billiard, this was a very tired estate I found in the bottom drawer in a PA shop. I almost got rid of it, because after restoration, I didn't like the way it smoked. But, after re-breaking it in, it smokes like a champ now.
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I got a certain number of Charatan's, but I have never found an afterhours at a resanable price. Hope to find it on ebay, or at my tobacconist.
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This one was $35, but in awful shape. The pipe has a funky 70's era Disco feel to it, sort of like a down-and-out Wall Street broker in the Bowrey...
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After Hours Charatan pipes are actually short shanked pipes with good bowls that were added with the plastic white shank extension. This way they salvaged a good bowl without trashing the pipe. The pipe you displayed in the photo, After Hours Walnut stain was priced at approx. $225. in 1983 according to my records. You did an exquisite job restoring the pipe and it will always have significant value to a collector. Great job.
DocIt's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling---Mark TwainPosted 6 months ago # -
Thanks Doc. Yep, Charatan was pretty crafty/frugal with their wood! I was actually able to get that stem even better when I rec'd my micro-mesh pads. I'm hanging onto this one.
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hi everyone, i just made a pretty good purchase. 2 charatans.. 1-charatans make-london england-supreme-FH-S 100 with the L symbol. it is straight large appears to be a dublin nice straight grain,with original stem.
1-charatans make-london england-impreial.4651DC-under the shank. REGD No 203573 under the stem, this is 1/4 bent apple.
both need cleaning inside and out. which i think i can do. iam going to try ro see how much these are worth. i paid 60.00 dollars for both, sounds good to me. thought i would make a post. iam excited.
take care.
mike.
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Sounds interesting Mike, get those pix up!
Here's a great looking, Freehand, After Hours on Ebay, a bit beyond my price range:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160688469792?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649Posted 5 months ago # -
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yes sir, thanks for the interest. iam going to see if my daughter can help me do this. i have already started to clean these babies, it will take awhile. as soon as i learn how to post pictures i will get somethihg up asap.
take care freind.
mike lyvers.
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Here is the picture of the pipes.
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Those are sharp looking Mike and in good shape, nice grab!
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Will Tim restamp the CP logo on the stem? If so, those will look terrific!
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iam not sure what tim will have in mind. iam going to the post office today, to send him all 6 charatans. he is going to call me when he receives the pipes.
mike.
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Check out this After Hours I saw last night in NYC. The owner, Martin said he as over 100 After Hours pipes and is a very big Charatan collector. This one was huge and beautiful. He had another blasted freehand with him that I forgot to photograph.
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i like. very cool Al.
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tim west has may pipes. he is going to make them look new. restamping the stems that need it, and replacing chewed up stems. i will post pics after i recieve the pipes back from tim.
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Alright Charatan guys,
After 3 years of pipe collecting with no Charatans, I am late to the game.However, I've a couple of late acquisitions that are coming on strong into my rotation, and I've got some questions for you experts out there.
The top one was my first.
It made me gasp when I saw the straight grain all around the bowl, then weep when I saw the crack that extends half way across it (from the smoker's view). Before I saw the crack I was going to refurbish and sell it. But I decided to see what all the Charatan hubbub was about instead, and this old soldier smokes like a champ! No smoke leaks through that crack at all, either.
I love the angles of the shank and stem. The nomenclature is weak and I can barely see "CHARATAN'S MAKE", but no grade. Any idea on what it would be? I'm guessing Executive. It is Lane Era, the the stem is certainly hand-made, though I can't find any nomenclature attesting to any of that.
Questions: Were all Lane-Era Pipes DC pipes? Did they all sport the CP stem logo?The next two I just got last week. This is an Executive with some great straight grain.
It is Lane Era, with the "L". It also says Made by Hand. However, the stem may be a replacement. The bit looks a little thick, plus it's a Lane-Era and it's not a DC.
Questions: Is there any chance this is the original stem w/o a DC bit and a CP logo?The last one is my new favorite.
I believe this one is old. It's stamped CHARATAN'S MAKE SPECIAL grade, has no "L" and the opposite side says MADE BY HAND. The CP is clear on the stem. This pipe smokes great.
Question: Am I right in guessing that this one is pre-Lane era?Posted 5 months ago # -
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hey freind, not sure. i have a few charatans myself.. you can try ebay for hunting L ERA PIPES. also check with your local tobac shop. sometimes they have pipes that they aquire, and send off for refrubishing. you can find charatans that way. on the stem, think not all where DC stems. i think some had saddle bit stems as well. maybe the CP wore off over time perhaps. you have some nice looking charatans there. my last 2 i found at my local smoke shop. a supreme s-100 FH. and a imperial, whick repalced thr SPECIAL @ the end of the LANE ERA.
take care.
mike.
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A couple of nice Chartans went off on Ebay recently. Both out of my league.
A beautiful After Hours, $185:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/380400252308?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
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This freehand surprised me going for $326, with the stem logo buffed off (mint otherwise).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170760657975?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
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it is a good day, i just won 2 charatans on ebay. purchased yesterday and today, one is a chatatans make SPECIAL #348 POT. the other is a charatans make DISTINCTION. i will take pics after they arrive and post them here. then i will get too work and refurbish those babies, then post the after pics for all too see. no big deal i guess, i just love charatan pipes. i will have a total of 8 chararans. you have to start some where. 4 are x`ed outs from the dunhill factory, the others are LANE ERA PIPES. i also love savinalli pipes. iam excited about my new purchases... currently tim west has all of my charatan pipes, doing some work for me, we spoke today and everything seems to be in order. tim is doing some stem work and stamping work for me....
take care all.
mike lyvers.
Posted 3 months ago # -
First post, but with Charatan's Make you need quality information.
You'll need to find it in hardcopy, but Tad Gage's article in P&T is the Gold Standard on the subject. Period. Bob Hamlin of PCCA used to have it up, but it looks like he's closed his entire domain.
Ivy Ryan's article, once published in the NASPC Collector, is a reminiscence, and should be taken with a grain of salt. Even so, it's the reason I collect Charatan's Make now.
As far as the L goes, I've been told the L was to designate the pipe for Lane Limited's US market. No L in the Lane era meant it went to the rest of the world.
Well.
I have Charatan's I've bought new in/from Europe that have the L. I have one that has two Ls. I've bought Charatan's Make pipes in the US without the L that are clearly from the Lane era.
I'm convinced, utterly convinced, the pipemakers of Charatan had grading sessions on Friday afternoons, after a ploughman's lunch and a pint or two at the pub!!
If you're really interested in Charatan's Make, there are specialists who gather at the Chicago show. You have to have at least 5 Charatans (and show them) to get in. I think I don't have to worry about that
Smoke in peace.
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i like the pub idea. that is ok with me. here are some of charatans. no big deal here.
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this is what i have to show. tim west has these pipes for minor repair. i just won a charatans MAKE SPECIAL POT and a DISTICNTION. waiting on the arrival of both pipes so i can refurb them.
take care all.
mike lyvers.
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Nice pipes..... I love some of the unique shapes they had, but I am GBD to the end!
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sorry guys i delected pics of some of my charatans before tim west had received them. tim worked on my pipes. he replaced the stem on the imperial and the supreme. there are 4 xed outs, 1 belvedere pot, 1 odd shape perfection, and 2 afterhours. all stems where replaced except for the 2 afterhours, tim just re stamped cp on those 2 stems.
take care, note: if i locate the before pics i will post.
mike.
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Great photos of the Charatan pipes, thanks for sharing. I am also a Charatan aficionado and have been collecting them for many years. The Charatan collector's Society is a lot of fun and will keep you informed of much history concerning the brand. I highly recommend anyone interested in collecting Charatan pipes to join us in Chicago, but you must have 5 Charatans to join the group. I was fortunate enough to be chosen as one of the judges at the Las Vegas show this past November, and got to select some really great specimens for awards. At this event you will see some of the finest Briar in the world, and in all categories from the lowest to highest grades. And as we all know, the stampings do create a lot of controversy.
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hey guys, here are 3 pics of 2 charatans make. 1 is SPECIAL POT 348 DC, the other is DISTINCTION with the words made by hand in the city of london in script on the left side of the shank. i need too restore both of these pipes.
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mike.
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I like the Distinction the best, Although the Special is a fine pipe too.
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thanks guys, charatans do offer good smoking qualities. i hope i own more some day.
mike.
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here are the 2 refurbs, both charatans make. 1 special, and 1 distinction. hope you all like.
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the stems still look like hell, i know. i used all the grits using micromesh pads 1500-12000. i still have oxidation present. i guess i will have to start over on those damn stems. they have been the haredest to work with. i will keep trying to clean those damn stems. would a buffer get reed of that oxidation????.
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mike.
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I wouldnt worry about that level of oxidation, it's not going to come out, and may even get worse the more you buff it. I have a Caminetto that won't get any better than those, and I still love it. The bowls look great though! Tim does good work.
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iam very unhappy with both stems. i did the stem on the distinction twice. tim has not seen either of these pipes, the special or distinction that is. i may send them too him once i get several more. i have tim redo/replace stems and add new stamping ect. i love charatan pipes.
take care.
mike.
Posted 2 months ago # -
I don't think anyone responded to mattia76's question about Lane era pipes. From the Charatan pipedia page:
Charatan records indicate the DC (Double Comfort) bit was introduced in the 50’s, but some report seeing them in earlier production. Still others indicate they were introduced by Lane in 1960. Regardless, the DC bit is not an accurate way to date a pipe because many Charatan’s were made with regular and saddle type bits throughout the “Lane Era”.I have an After Hours with a DC bit that has no L but is clearly from the Lane era. So, who knows. It's been said that Charatan was a drinking club with a pipe making problem...it's all part of the Charatan intrigue.
Mike: Tim did a great job with those pipes, I bet you are pleased.
My new After Hours bent billiard, just restored. This one smokes like a champ, with a wide open draw. Someone may have worked that, but it works brilliantly.
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iam very unhappy with both stems
Mike, before you send them off, get some Vaseline and Mr. Clean Magic Erasers.
Cover the CP and any other stem marks with Vaseline (go thick). Soak in OxyClean for a good long while. Check them periodically. As time goes on, you should see more and more goop gathering. Wash this off under cool water, make sure your Vaseline is still in tact (reapply if needed), and put them back in the Oxyclean.
After a couple hours, when you check the progress, start rubbing at the heavily oxidized parts with a Magic eraser. Let dry, check how much oxidation you have left, check your Vaseline protection, re-soak. I wouldn't soak any more than eight hours.
If all goes well, when you're finished rubbing away all visible oxidation, the stems should be a dull black color, but still smooth to the touch (Bleach would make them rough - that's why I use Oxyclean). This is the time to start using your microfiber sanding paper.
The only time this method has not worked for me in removing major oxidation is if the vulcanite is scorched. That is a whole different animal.
Hope this helps, Mike.
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