I've always called this a Rhodesian. But given that I'm becoming more of a student of pipe-ology, I'm thinking it' really a bulldog.
What say you? What determines one from the other?
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Bulldog or Rhodesian?
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Posted 10 months ago #
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Rhodesian
Born Again HeathernPosted 10 months ago # -
To me, round shank is Rhodesian.
If at first you don't succeed you are running about average.Posted 10 months ago # -
Thanks DD, Uncle A.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Like the others to me round shank means Rhodesian.
For me this definition comes from alt.smokers.pipes' shape chart: http://aspipes.org/shapes-chart/rhodesian/
edit: nice pipe by the way, I like fat shanks
Posted 10 months ago # -
Turns out I'm not the first to ponder this great question for the ages:
Posted 10 months ago # -
Bulldog or Rhodesian?
Probably.
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"To seek freedom is the only driving force I know. Freedom to fly off into that infinity out there."Posted 10 months ago # -
Nice Lawrence.
portascat, lovely RR.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Yep, this question has been pondered and argued over and over. To my thinking the round shank is a Rhodesian and the square or diamond shank is a Bulldog.
Steve: Pipemaker in Training!
Posted 10 months ago # -
I concur with the others. Here's a pipe shape chart courtesy of Iwan Ries.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Those who believe the rhodesian has a round shank and the bulldog a diamond shank are correct. Because, they agree with me.
Honestly, I really can't see any other line of demarkation between the two that make any sense at all. I know the whole bowl shape thing has been flogged like many dead horses, but when it comes down to it, the rhodsian is a round shanked bent bulldog and the bent bulldog is a diamond shank rhodesian.
Posted 10 months ago # -
Yeah! What Greg said!
Posted 10 months ago # -
Rhodesian, cause the shank is round
Posted 10 months ago # -
That has answerd something I always wondered btw love the Ridgeback (R. Lion Dog )
Posted 10 months ago # -
Who let that Pease fellow on the forums, always clarificatin' and postulatin'?!
Anyway, what's been said I think reflects the majority opinion; that diamond shanks are for bulldogs and round shanks are for Rhodesians...then again, part of the glory of pipes is that the majority need not rule. Either way, you have a beauty of a pipe, sir!
Posted 10 months ago # -
The joy of doing a quick search before posting a new topic is - sometimes you find it has already asked and answered!
Albert Einstein said "I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgement in all human affairs"Posted 6 months ago # -
The joy of doing a quick search before posting a new topic is - sometimes you find it has already asked and answered!
Woohoo! Forum etiquette for the win!
In a society that has destroyed all adventure, the only adventure left is to destroy that society.
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Of course - they are all wrong! A Bulldog is always straight and a Rhodesian is simply a bent Bulldog!
Posted 6 months ago # -
This this explains why I'm fond of both the R and the B. They're twins separated at birth.
Posted 6 months ago # -
By the most popular definition, I would call that a Rhodesian.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Posted 6 months ago # -
The mysteries of pipe maker shapes, keeps us buying!
Al
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Posted 6 months ago # -
Ether way I love both shapes.
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Think this is confusing? How about the Canadian Family?
Canadian, Lumberman, Liverpool. or Lovet?Posted 6 months ago # -
So the picture in the Luxury Tobacco ad ON THIS FOURMS WEBSITE is a Bulldog? Boy have I been looking for the wrong pipe!!
I will have to send the two I bought back, I don't want Bulldogs. I am a Lab man, Jake would be so mad.
There is nothing like being left alone again, to walk peacefully with oneself in the woods.
To boil one's coffee and fill one's pipe, and to think idly and slowly as one does it.Posted 6 months ago # -
Pipeinhand, Just don't tell Jake or let him read this page. It's not like they will grow up to challenge him for dominance some day. My Lab hates bulldogs too.
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Always thought of a Rhodesian as having the wide, squat bowl, while the Bulldog as being the narrow bowl, resembling the shape of a bulldogs head. I have read and heard almost as many discussions on the subject as I have the English versus Balkan question. Honestly, I think the original distinction is lost in the mists of time. Besides, I detest unnecessary rules. In my book, your pipe is a Rhodesian. Enjoy!
Posted 6 months ago # -
I always though the Rhodesian monicker was for pipes with wide thick bowls...I guess my favorite pipe is a bulldog...and not a Rhodesian. It's still my favorite because of the wide thick bowl.
Posted 5 months ago # -
I also vote for Rhodesian.
Smokey
Posted 5 months ago # -
That one always seems to spark controversy. I believe the majority agreed upon is that the diamond shank is a bulldog and the round shank is a rhodesian. I however tend to disagree with that. To me the difference is in bowl shape. Rhodesians seem to fan out more from bottom to top and bulldogs tend to have more of a whiskey barrel shape to them. I know I'll get lambasted for it, but it's just my two cents.
Posted 5 months ago # -
To those who subscribe to the school of a diamond shank being a bulldog I have but one question. Do you then consider the Milverton pipe from Peterson's Return of Sherlock Holmes Series to be a bulldog? It has the diamond shank you say makes it a bulldog, but it doesn't have the rings at the top of the bowl that typical bulldogs and rhodesians both have. This is why I subscribe to the bowl design more so than the shank design.
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I think most will agree that the bulldog/rhodesian group is defined by the shape of the bowl...typically with at least one ring groove near the flare of the bowl (most commonly with two grooves). The shape of the stem is used as the secondary classifier: IMO round = rhodesian; diamond = bulldog.
The Milverton pipe, though, is simply a diamond shank billiard. Do a search on Smokingpipes for "diamond"... several other shapes of pipe with diamond shanks are available (horn, billiard, dublin, acorn)
Posted 5 months ago # -
Bytor is right... the Milverton is just a diamond shanked billiard.
Regarding the difference between a Bulldog and a Rhodesian... I think we've pretty much covered that.
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what would you all call this? sorry for the quality , i think you can tell for opinion purposes.
mike.
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See my mind says that if you call the Milverton "just a diamond shank billiard" then basically you're saying that the shank has no meaning to the definition of the pipe shape, therefore negating it as the differential between bulldog and rhodesian.
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That would be a RhoDog wouldn't it mlyvers? (-;
lordof, would appear your missing the link of bowl shape as well as that of the shank.
The bowl of the Milverton is rightly considered a billiard.
The shape of the bowl found on a Bulldog or Rhodesian is so very, very different and distinct from a billiard.
Snus, snuff and briar.
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Brian from Oregon USAPosted 5 months ago # -
I'm saying to me a bulldog and a rhodesian have different bowl shapes that differentiate one from the other, and not the diamond shank. Rhodesians tend to fan out from bottom to top and bulldogs have more of a whiskey barrel shape. The one mlyvers posted, to me, is more of a bulldog, because it has more of a whiskey barrel shape to the bowl even though the shank is round.
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I understand what you're saying, lord, but that's the thing about standards... they're standard. You may think a bulldog has a "barrel shape" regardless of the shape of the shank, but the accepted standard for a bulldog is a diamond shank with a 1/3 - 2/3 bowl divided by a bead. You're welcome to make up whatever definition you want, but it's not the standard, is it?
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Oop, sorry lordof, I missed your initial post regarding the the bowl shapes, thought you were focusing on the shape of the shank only.
I've said before and I'll continue to comment same, discussing and "defining" a given pipes shape designation is one of the more interesting topics to me.The bulldog/rhodesian is an especially fun one when you remember to include the bullmoose and bullcap! (-:
Posted 5 months ago # -
I can definitely see your point regarding the shape of the bowls...seems to be the determining factor in many pipes.
On the other hand, the differences between a canadian, lovat, lumberman and liverpool are defined not just by the shape of the shank, but also the stem (taper vs. saddle).
As for the pipe that Mlyvers posted....because of the flat bottom, it seems like a hybrid between a poker and a rhodesian. Pokesian?
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i really like that bulldog/sitter from peterson, iam trying to get my local smoke shop to get it for me. i can get it online easily, however i would rather buy local. i like large bulldogs and the rhodesians.
Posted 5 months ago # -
I'll just end by saying I'm not a conformist and will never subscribe to the "standard" diamond shank.
Posted 5 months ago # -
Actually, I think that that your pipe is an apple posing as a rhodesian. If you look at your pipe upside down in a mirrow you will see the apple shape. It's a rhodesian.
Posted 5 months ago # -
Let me muddy the waters a little bit- what's a bullcap?
I've always thought it just a squat bulldog.Sorry, guys, these are burning, important issues, you know.
Posted 5 months ago # -
Pipedia has a good listing of the standard shapes as I recall.
Unless you happen to be a lord, in which case you can just name things whatever you want.
It's good to be the lord.
Posted 5 months ago # -
From what ive seen the Rhodesian has a shorter bowl
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.Posted 2 months ago # -
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