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Brand New Peterson Aran Poor Drilling?

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  1. pylorns

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    My family draws names for Christmas and I had a peterson Aran on one of my wish lists. So my cousin bought it and sent it to me. When I started inspecting the pipe today I found that the drill hole looks pretty out of place. Is this just common of poor peterson quality control that everyone has been talking about? My other peterson pipe I have is perfect.

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  2. piperl12

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    This is sad my old Petersons are my favorite smokers

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    I received 999 Fermoy that is drilled exactly the same as yours. I have a few smokes in and although it smokes well it doesn't pass a pipe cleaner without some playing around.
    I also received a Darwin system pipe that doesn't smoke very well. I wonder about the quality of the drilling on that one as well.s

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  4. piperl12

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    I would contact Peterson it's like someone there doesn't care anymore

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  5. johnnyiii

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    Isnt that the "Peterson system" http://www.peterson.ie/t/ThePetersonSystem

    had to edit link FF didn't like this sites link embed

    I humbly reserve the right to post an intuitive thought here ... When ONE comes to mind.
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    Yes, as johnnyiii that does look a bit like a System, but obviously it's an Aran...curious. It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it would actually work like a System, which is no bad thing.

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    His joint is not the same as mine on my 517 but is like the one depicted on the site. cant see his stem though to see if it is a match. Its supposed to keep you from needing to pipe clean to the bowl, and instead keep the spit out of the bowl. For what its worth it works.

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    I have a Peterson's Fermoy bent brandy with a drill hole in the same place, i thought they might have drilled it like that because of the shape of the pipe. Does the drill hole come out in the bottom of the bowl's chamber? I thought if they placed it lower they might have missed the chamber. Yours might be different...

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  9. pipeherman

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    Johnny sounds as if he is onto something. On a side note I believe peterson actually ship in their briar to Ireland already carved and drilled and just apply the finishing touches and assembly.

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    Nice gift BTW. My cousin got me NUTS.

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    I was in my local tobacconist a few years ago when the rep selling Petes brought in the Explorer Series to show. Four pipes which looked very nice on the outside but when you began looking at the fit and the drilling they left much to be desired. High draft holes were common. I'm not a Peterson fan. Many are but I had a pipe from the Sherlock Holmes series that I could never get the taste of stain out of the bowl, or the shank.

    Mike S.

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    To me it actually looks perfect! I love my Petersons and many of them that are bent are drill much like a system. As far as the staining that some have commented on, I have found that if you tale some everclear on a towel and wipe the inside. It reduces the effects.

    John
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    Evidently before people complained they dipped stained the bowls. Either they quite doing that or covered it up with the pre carbon. I didn't see it in my stem though so I would say they stopped. Many makers though still do. One if my chacom's was dipped stained the other purchased at the same time was raw briar on the inside.

    I did the Docs treatment but with a folded pipe cleaner. Many recommend a salt and everclear treatment to be thorough

    Let us know what you find out pylorns ... will check back later

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    I have come to believe, after much reading on this site, that no-one should be able to purchase a Peterson unless they take and pass a test. The test will show whether or not the prospective buyer has any understanding at all about Peterson pipes, system and non, and their construction.

    I have smoked, almost exclusively, Peterson's when smoking root pipes for 50 years or so, all bents to some degree. My last purchase was back in March when in Dublin. I have top ends and lower range, system and non, in my rotation. I can truthfully say that while I prefer a couple over the others, none of them smoke badly or have unacceptable fills or other blemishes. The craftsmanship is good and I have none that are poorly drilled or have fitting problems.

    I'd really like to read the names of these retailers who sell so many bad Peterson branded pipes. These bad Petes must be everywhere and yet, I have not stumbled across one. I certainly will conceded that any maker will now and then have a less than stellar item make it out the door, but if Peterson was producing a high percentage of less than acceptable pipes they'd certainly be having problems with the bottom line.

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    I've purchased Petersons over four years, and one as recently as a few months ago. All of mine are
    highlights in my smoking life. I enjoyed my Pete bulldog (Around the World/Ireland) to celebrate
    New Years Day. I hope if the quality control problems exist, Peterson wakes up and fixes them.
    Certainly, the prices are going up, so I hope the quality stays up.

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    That's the design of the moisture trap that Peterson uses on many of their bent pipes. It acts as a well to trap tars while smoking so the stem will remain dry. My Pete Harp 999 has the same feature.

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    Ok on further examination I went back and looked at my Limerick 01 shape which is similar to yours in bend. After 20min of searching for a flashlight realize mine is the same. Now my pipe is circa 1989 or so, so I guess it's designed that way.

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    pipeherman: Is there some specific reason you believe that? Anecdotal evidence? Rumor? Please, share with us the source of your information.

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    My 03 Pete Dracula looks the same, as well does most of my other full bent pipes (which all smoke great by the way). I'm guessing it is the norm. Like carcosa stated, I think they have to drill it like that or it would miss the chamber completely.

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    @Warren

    Pipeherman's correct. Q/A no. 7:

    http://www.pipedia.org/wiki/Peterson_Today_(March_2011)_%E2%80%93_An_Interview_with_Tom_Palmer,_Managing_Director_of_Peterson_of_Dublin

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    As far as I know most if not all bent Petersons are drilled with the draught hole offset toward the top of the mortise. Not exactly great engineering and no chance of passing the pipe cleaner test which is one of the reasons I prefer straight pipes. As for poor quality control, I've seen some shocking examples on sale in B&Ms here in England but plenty that are reasonable too. If they are still dip staining and I suspect they are, then it really is worth spending time removing as much of it as possible before you start smoking it or it will taste foul for a long time. I always say though that if you want a low priced briar, the Parker "Dunhill Seconds" are the way to go. Great pipes for as little as £20/$33 and much better than a Peterson or Savinelli.

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    There is mention of Peterson pipes in this essay by Ivy Ryan.In my experience (limited though it is)with Peterson, I find it to be very accurate.

    http://pipedia.org/wiki/Memories_of_Charatan_Pipes_and_Notes_on_their_Dating

    As far as anyone else's experience or preferences, smoke what makes you happy and if others don't share your enthusiasm, be happy, more for you. And as far as those Explorer Series pipes I mentioned? They came into Cousin's Cigar in Cleveland and left with the salesman.

    Mike S.

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    My take is that Peterson drills them like that by design. It's easier to drill a straight mortise and then an angled airway channel to the bottom of the bowl. The fact that it functions as a sort of halfway version of the system reservoir is a possibly unintended benefit. Both my Aran 01 and my Kelly XL02 are drilled like this, both have a tough time with a pipe cleaner, and both smoke great. Bottom line is it's just how they are.

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    This seems to be a 9mm filter pipe, but without seeing the tenon, I cannot say for sure, but the bowl was for sure drilled for the 9mm filter. All bent 9mm filter pipes are drilled like this, not only Petersons, but Stanwells, Vauens, Savinellis etc.
    Actually the drilling looks to be very good in this bowl.

    Kind regards,
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    That's just the way Peterson drills most of their bent pipes, even the non-System pipes. I have 7 bent Petersons, all of which are drilled exactly like that, and they all smoke great! It does work very similar to their System pipes, which by design are drilled high in the shank. Because of this, most of them will not pass a cleaner all the way to the chamber. That being said, a lot of bent pipes in general, even some costly ones, will not pass a cleaner as well. The ones that will usually require some manipulation of the cleaner.
    Now if you run into a straight Peterson that's drilled like that, something is wrong! All of my straight Petersons are drilled center of the shank, as any straight pipe should be, and they all pass a cleaner with ease.

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    Petersons seem to be going through a rough time with quality. It's sad, the classic shapes still draw me to them, and so far I've had no problems, but it does make me hesitant.

    Contact Peterson and see what they'll do for you. Good Luck!

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  27. pylorns

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    Ok well if you're looking at all of yours and they are drilled the same, then its not an issue. My Peterson system works great -but an ARAN is not a system and these two are nothing a like.

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    That's not the slant I took from the answer to question seven. I know that they get briar from the usual countries and it may come sawed into blocks. What I saw at the factory were employees working with chunks of briar. I'm guessing that when Palmer spoke "the bowls are mainly from Italy . . . " it was in the sense that the material was from those countries.

    I will ask a pointed question next time I'm visiting Peterson in Dublin. Unless, a member living in Ireland can come up with a clarification sooner.

    I'm planning on going in April. My wife is in the middle of a battle with cancer so the date is "iffy" at this time.

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    It's not an unknown problem with Petersons. I have one or two like that. You'd think that after 130 years they'd get it right.

    Eric
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    I think they have to drill it like that or it would miss the chamber completely.

    Upon further review (as the football refs say) I think that explains it. Changing the drill hole location would definitely bring it too close to the bottom of the shank or too high from the bottom of the bowl. The well is simply a result of the drill hole location and not a design feature on its own.

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    pipeherman: Is there some specific reason you believe that? Anecdotal evidence? Rumor? Please, share with us the source of your information.

    I don't know that is fact, though I have accepted it as that from speaking to the owner of Pijpenkabinet (Amsterdam Pipe Museum). Speaking to him he stated that peterson ship their briar already cut and drilled from what they claim to be Italy, though he thinks its actually Spain (not too sure as of why).

    From watching this video of the peterson pipe factory in Dublin it doesn't seem to dismiss what has been suggested to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YgQrnGMGPA

    EDIT: Just noticed dryseason91 confirmed what I had assumed, thank you.

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    After watching through most of that video it brings an important question to mind... I wonder what the Peterson Employee Discount is

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    for you folks who think the drilling towards the top on bent pipes is a QC issue.. get yourself a drill and drill dead center and let us know where where you hit the bowl.

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    +1 burl!!! Interesting video, I really enjoyed it! I would love to work there myself, especially if there was a good employee discount!

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    Well that video explains why my silver bands always come off. Since I reglued them with gorrilla glue I have had no issues. Why on earth would they think carpenters glue would bond metal to wood? Love my Pete's but this makes me shake my head.

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  36. pylorns

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    @dochudson again I was asking the question - is this normal or is it a screw up - everyone's input puts us at the "its normal" route.

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    I had 1950-s Comoy bent with the same specific. So far I don't think it's an issue.

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    Its not an issue, never has been an issue, its how bents are drilled, can't believe so many pipemen think this is a flaw let alone say it aloud lol

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    I have three petersons, love them all. Two of them are curved being a Mark Twain and a Peterson Kinsale XL11. I haven't really focused on the drilling holes. Hadn't ever considered it a problem. The draw is fantastic, not much manipulation of the pipe cleaner needs to be done. No problem. I think if anyone is going to critique Peterson it may be over some of the more vibrant stains, but I suppose thats just me being picky.

    If I attempt to directly answer your question: It is normal, and it isn't a screw up.

    Put some tobacco in it and try it out.

    Also +1 on the working for peterson and the Employer discount!

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  40. pylorns

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    Oh it smokes like a champ, I've smoked 4 bowls out of it so far, no issues.

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    I've a Shannon XL-02, similar to the Aran version of the XL-02, and it is drilled exactly has the photos above. I never assumed it to be an error but intentionally done to create a well for moisture collection purposes. I do recall anoher customer at my B&M asking about cleaning and he was told to wick out the shank with a Q-tip; works for me. I don't fret the pipe cleaner pass-though test myself.

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    Hope I don't get flamed over this, but I have plenty of bents that are perfectly drilled and pass a pipe cleaner quite easily.

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    Us Forums members tend to think in terms of a perfect smoke. That's good. But sometimes, a pipe with
    imperfections draws pretty well and can give years of satisfaction. If it ain't actually broke, don't fix it.
    Some of my bent pipes pass a pipe cleaner, most of them don't. One or two of my quirky straight pipes
    don't, but most (almost all) do. If you can take it apart and clean it, and it draws okay, and smokes well,
    go with it. This isn't necessarily heaven, but now and then it feels like it.

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    I like this blog post by pipe maker Charl Goussard in which he explains in a nice pictorial fashion the problems of drilling a full bent pipe:

    http://goussardpipes.blogspot.fi/2011/07/why-i-do-not-make-lot-of-full-bents.html

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