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Bore War Oom Paul pipes?

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  1. hotjazzbaby

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    On eaby i am watching and may purchase an Oom Paul which the seller is referring to as a bore war pipe. I am very familiar with the second Anglo bore war, and it seems this pipe shape was lent its name by Paul Kruger(the last president of the Transvaal). From what i have found with limited searching that this shape was popular among British soldiers during the war and many were carved with mementos or regimental trimmings. Just seeing if anyone has experience with them. That is Oom Paul pipes from the turn of the last century.

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    The turn of the last century was 1999.

    I am glad we have a good admin and responsible moderators.

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    Hi,

    I am resident in South Africa and was lucky enough to snap a hallmarked 1898 Oom Paul off a local auction site. It was made, or at least silver mounted by an English silversmith, one Charles Maas. This would seem to suggest that it may well have belonged to a British serviceman. A very large pipe, it cleaned up nice and smokes like a champ. In fact it's in my rotation right now.

    BTW it's the Boer War. If you're interested I did a bit of a rant about the shape name here:

    http://www.brothersofbriar.com/t29517-oom-paul-vs-hungarian-bit-of-a-rant?highlight=hungarian

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    @puffermark - Very well written and thoughtful. I feel that history should be viewed in the context of the time it happened and not through the corrective lens of applying today's value to another time.

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    Please forgive my me Pappy! I mostly am interested if anyone collects, specifically, Oom Pauls from the 1899-1902 period. As i am interested in that time and place.

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    It will always be Oom Paul, IMHO. And Puffer, you make a sound and logical argument and I agree on all parts.

    "If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and sex, you don't actually live longer; it just seems that way."
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    And as you all will see I am a horrid speller and don't have a good grasp on grammar, as is used in writing. If this is going to be a constant spellchecker I don't think that suits me very much. This is also the first forum I have participated in and am not used to such things as peoples spelling corrections. Perhaps I am a bit sensitive.

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    Don't take the correction to heart. It is just that there is a significant difference between a bore war and the Boer War. I don't think the poster was reprimanding you, just making your intentions more clear.
    Heck, the number of times I have made spelling mistakes is infinite.

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    hotjazzbaby...Don't run off. Stick around. This is really a great forum. We all make spelling and grammar mistakes...mine usually from typing too fast and not proofreading.

    scott
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    Thank you, I will try to check my spelling before posting. And nice article Puffer.

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    Don't worry, hotjazz, not too many grammar/spelling Nazis around here. Plus a lot of us occasionally rib each other even if we like them a lot. Case in point: Pappymac's a great guy & I concur totally that events can only be fully understood by considering in their own time, BUT...

    The turn of the last century was *actually* the rollover from 2000 to 2001.... [evil grin]

    Howdy & welcome, BTW -- your post caught my attention since I've enjoyed the Oom Paul shape for a long long time. If there's one pipe in my collection that I cherish over any other, it's a Caminetto "New Dear" Oom Paul that I got while working for Tinder Box almost 45 years ago. It's an absolutely (to my eyes) gorgeous craggy mother that's an almost *perfect* jaw-hanger. I've had the thing banded twice to repair the shank, which should tell you how much I love the old thing! The stem's getting a little loose again, so I guess it's about time for repair #3.

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    Hotjazz, I am a terrible speller, but you wouldn't know it from reading my posts. I just always make it a point to proofread my posts, paying attention to the corrections suggested by the built-in spellchecker. My grammar is acceptable, but again, I sort of read my posts out loud, too see if they make sense.

    It's an easy way to instantly raise your apparent IQ by 30 points.

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    Dan, you're jes' a mess. My own problem usually comes from the fact that non fizzy law chuck spill chuckers often change what I type to not what I mean. Dang Otto core etc. always thinks he's smarter than me.... (Channeling Gunny Foley, of course!).

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    I am resident in South Africa and was lucky enough to snap a hallmarked 1898 Oom Paul off a local auction site. It was made, or at least silver mounted by an English silversmith, one Charles Maas. [Snipped bits out]
    I did a bit of a rant about the shape name here:

    http://www.brothersofbriar.com/t29517-oom-paul-vs-hungarian-bit-of-a-rant?highlight=hungarian

    It's Hungarian to me and the cute little name of "Uncle Paul" gives a cuddly name to a real shit of a guy. We don't call "Veal Parmigiana" by the name of the man who ate it twice a week, "Veal a là Mussolini", do we ?

    AND: No one has ever shown a photo of the fellow smoking that pipe shape! A challenge!

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    My grammar is acceptable, but again, I sort of read my posts out loud, too see if they make sense.

    Wow, that's a surprise!!

    It's an easy way to instantly raise your apparent IQ by 30 points.

    Still a bit shy of a grand, then, Dan?!?

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    hotjazz: If you have something important to say or ask, you want it read. So, look on this site as a place for self-improvement, learning and entertainment. If you make the effort, the members will, generally, make an effort also.

    If a seller is selling a "bore war" era pipe, quite possibly he knows not of which he writes. Or, he may be lazy or simply working with a an unfamiliar language. In any event such spelling should set off some alerts requiring even more diligence on your part.

    If I raised my IQ by 30 points I'd still be shy of triple digits I fear.

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    John, "acceptable" is very relative term. What I mean here, is that judging by the current context of PipeMagazine knuckle-draggers like yourself, I am a veritable John McPhee. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king!

    FWIW, my IQ qualified me for remedial math in the sixth grade, something that nobody else was entitled to.

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    Dan, let me help you.... to, too or two. There, their or they're.

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    Ah, hotjazz', I think you are doing about as well as the rest of us in the grammar department. Write on.

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    Dan, let me help you.... to, too or two. There, their or they're.

    Ahhhh, the good ol' homophones....there's not a grammar or spell checker in the world that can catch "use". Gotta be left up to the proofread, and even then, some get missed. Reading a book now that I don't think was ever proofread cover to cover.

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    Ahhhh, the good ol' homophones
    Watch it now.

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    Watch it now.

    Hey, it's not my fault. Whom ever it was that decided that's what we should call them is to blame. Would you prefer the term homonym?

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    Would you prefer the term homonym?
    Do you know how difficult it is to find milk that hasn't been homogenized?

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    This is getting too political for my sensibilities.

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    Do you know how difficult it is to find milk that hasn't been homogenized?

    I could imagine, but I can find it pretty readily at the farmers market here in Raleigh. Homogenization is all the rage, unless you really feel the need to spoon the cream off the top.

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    Mussolini ate Veal Parmigiana twice a week? Clearly, history has judged that man far too harshly.

    A man who serves his country is a patriot. A man who serves his government is an employee. The two are not always the same thing.
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    And Stalin smoked a Dunhill. I wonder what John Wayne Gacy's redeeming habits were?

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    If Stalin smoked a Dunhill, mass murder may have been the redeeming habit. We'll have to check in with Duane on this one.

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    It isn't out of line for someone in South Africa to correct the spelling of Boer. I've also seen "Afrikaner" misspelled sometimes.

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    I have no idea what you guys are talking about. The Oom Paul was named after a yoga instructor in Minnesota.

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    The shape derived from what was seen beneath the yoga pants?

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    Isn't it spelled RuPaul?

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    RoomPaul?

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    Isn't it spelled RuPaul?

    Now that makes me shudder the thought of smoking a pipe right now....

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    Oom Paul was named after a yoga instructor in Minnesota.

    Seriously? I thought he was a tuba player in a polka band?!?!?

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    "Bring me ... THE BORE WORMS!"

    -"NOOOO! NOT THE BORE WORMS!"

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  38. woodsroad

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    Can't you guys take anything seriously?

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    Yeah, I can, but "you know me" -- I most often don't. And when somebody lays out a perfectly good straight line, would it really be fair to ignore it?

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    And as you all will see I am a horrid speller and don't have a good grasp on grammar, as is used in writing. If this is going to be a constant spellchecker I don't think that suits me very much. This is also the first forum I have participated in and am not used to such things as peoples spelling corrections. Perhaps I am a bit sensitive.

    My sincere apologies for any offence, Hotjazz. Completely unintended. I thought it may assist in any research yo may be doing. My bad.

    Plus if I had a penny for every spelling mistake I make, I'd be able to buy myself an unsmoked birth year Dunhill Oom P Hungarian.

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    And on the topic of turns of the century and whatnot:

    http://www.mastermariners.org.au/stories-from-the-past/2304-strange-story-of-the-ss-warimoo

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    Hotjazzbaby - I apologize if I offended you by "correcting" the turn-of-the-century date. I, of course, knew what time frame you were talking about, but I also like clarity.

    My one Oom Paul is a Savinelli Non Pareil 9604. I find it a very good smoker but a pain to clean at times.

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    ^^^^ Sandblasted or smooth, pappy? I'll bet that thing's a beaut! Definitely a classic Italian shape, that one.

    Bill

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    The Oom Paul was named after a yoga instructor in Minnesota.

    I know the Paul family. They live in my neighborhood. Good people.

    Tim
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    And then there's that nutball who lives in Finland to deal with.

    Bill

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    "And then there's that nutball who lives in Finland to deal with. :)"

    You mean FinnPaul?

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    If he lived in Russia he'd be RUPaul. Wait, we already mentioned that.

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    Yeh, I have been googling my brains out, but no luck figuring out who the Finnish nut job is. Is this a recent news thing?

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    Finnish nutjob guy flew right over my head too. I'm slow though sometimes.

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    Paul, a member here. He used to go by PaulieScandinavian. Put your googled brains back in, Cosmic.

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    bnichols23 - Mine is a sandblast.

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    Pappy, I love it. Looks just exactly like it ought to. That design just speaks classic Italian to me, & the blast just adds to it!

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    Pappy, I love it. Looks just exactly like it ought to. That design just speaks classic Italian to me, & the blast just adds to it!

    I was offered $75 for it last year but couldn't see parting with it for that amount. The Nonpareil's are fairly high grade Savinelli's.

    I've smoked it as a prop while in Santa costume a couple of years ago. I'll have to see if I can find the photo.

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    That'd be a sight to see. And yeah, fully concur. No way would I part with that thing for a paltry 75 smackers. Nonpareils are worth faaaarrr more than that.

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