Bent Bulldog: Hardest Shape To Make?

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mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Recently I read an article that said the bent bulldog shape was the most awkward shape for a pipemaker to produce (not including the more bizarre 'artisan' pipes). I don't know if they were referring to machine made or hand made pipes and for the life of me I cannot recall where I read this.
It happens to be my preferred shape so therefore I have a few and comparing one to other shaped pipes I have I can sort of see how this may be true. Square/diamond shank canting steeply from the bowl I should imagine a fair bit of work must go into each pipe to get it 'just right'.
Thoughts anyone?
Regards,
Jay.

 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
43,380
109,095
Probably my least favorite shape, but with all of the geometry involved with a bulldog, I could imagine it being fairly difficult to properly execute.

 

papipeguy

Lifer
Jul 31, 2010
15,778
35
Bethlehem, Pa.
I believe it is a difficult shape. Getting the lines just right takes a lot of time and a great eye. I have several and the one below (from RD Pipes) is the most unusual of the bunch.
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clickklick

Lifer
May 5, 2014
1,700
212
A bent bulldog, by definition, has to have a diamond shank . . . transitioning from the bowl to the diamond and then tapering into the stem bit is ridiculously challenging.
I am currently in the process of designing and making one for a customer and it is very challenging, and I haven't even cut into the wood yet!
I would argue that it is harder to make a perfect blowfish, however, the shape is grain dependent so you can't just setup the block ahead of time.

 
I think the hardest part is in transition from shank to stem to the button. I collect bullies and very few makers give me a nice wide button, because many will take the taper too narrow down the legnth of the stem. My favorite two are from our Dan and Zack. Ardor did pretty good, but my Stanwell and Castello are the worst. Very little to get a good bite on for clenching, IMO.

 

lestrout

Lifer
Jan 28, 2010
1,761
297
Chester County, PA
Handmaking 3 identical pipes in a row strikes me as a challenge. Some shapes look difficult to reproduce - I have heard of well known artisans who refuse to make bulldogs. It's interesting how the human brain processes images - the Grecian Golden Ratio in architecture - or at least in building temples, is well known. And the French Tricolor flag, which at face value is 3 exactly equal stripes (of different colors), actually uses slightly different widths (and areas) for the stripes to account for our physiological/psychological response to each color.
And so it is to me with hawkbills and the Dunhill 120. Very slight deviations stick out to me and render gracelessness. On the other hand, apples, billiards (as long as not strictly orthogonal), pots, most bents - can vary enormously and yet be ok to me. This translates into these shapes give latitude to craftsmen who make mistakes in shaping and sanding, or who have to work around unexpected sand pits and briar flaws.
Yet even though I can see it is easy to make obvious errors with bulldogs, and maybe they are hard to work around a mistake, my several dozen bulldogs have a lot of variations yet they all please my eye (they must have, if I got them to begin with).
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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,451
The bent bulldog has to be right up there in difficulty. That's one reason I am so impressed by the Dr. Grabow Royalton bent bulldog priced at about $40. It is shaped with considerable delicacy. I have to think they're done by the senior carvers on the line there in Sparta, N.C. I do admire those pipes, and my version of them in particular.

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,400
7,317
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
That is a gorgeous pipe there Pap, alas I think it was ruined by the application of the carving on the back of the bowl...what was the carver thinking? :roll:
Regards,
Jay.

 
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