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  1. mikethompson

    mikethompson

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    Any fellow pipe smokers have dual citizenship?

    I'm looking into some options for myself, and it's a little daunting. I'm sure every country is different, and the processes different themselves.

    Anyone have any stories? Has having two citizenships changed your life in any way?

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    Yep. Italy & US. It’s nice to have a back door. Have lived in both countries and have served in militaries for both (US first), which was odd. Anyway, there are many advantages wrt travel restrictions. Yeah, it’s super cool and I would recommend you go for it as long as the country is some place you like to go.

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    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/dual-citizenship-drama-constitutional-past-is-a-foreign-country/news-story/7d588e55b5ce30bbdd60ecdbc8f5af63

    Don’t move to Australia and try to run for government.

    I have family with dual citizenship. I’ve always thought it a serious issue, where do your allegiances lay? In the other country or the one you reside most of the time in. When you become a US citizen, your loyalty is expected to be with the US.

    But there are many with dual citizenship, and it ain’t going away. In fact open boarders are the wave of the future.

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    Oh yea, my family members with dual citizenship, they love it.

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    Nope, it won't be Canadian-American.

    It is for no real reason other than to say I have it. Just got off the phone with the Embassy in Ottawa and it's a little trickier than I was hoping.

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    I didn't know at the right time but, I could have been a Mountie. Good thing though, I'm too short to have looked good in the red tunic and jodhpurs. I can also qualify for Irish (Republic of) citizenship I believe.

    A man without a shillelagh is a man without an expedient.
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    No options that way. My bro-in-law has Dutch/U.S.

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    U.S.A. and Redneck Riviera here.

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    Canada and Ireland here. I love it. I can (and have) work anywhere in the EU and can join the shorter customs lines at EU airports. Unless you plan on living in the US, i would avoid US citizenship as it is one of only a couple of countries in the world that taxes on the basis of citizenship rather than residence.

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    Have an Italian birth certificate due to military father; but an FS240 Statement of US citizen born abroad. As an Army Veteran, I officially renounced any other citizenry at my oath of enlistment.

    Never really wanted to be a citizen of another country, just wanted to live other places.

    Dave "Black Frigate Stowaway"
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    Never did care for the idea of allegiance to more than one country.

    A man who serves his country is a patriot. A man who serves his government is an employee. The two are not always the same thing.
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    I’ve always thought it a serious issue, where do your allegiances lay? In the other country or the one you reside most of the time in.

    Agreed. Man cannot serve two masters.

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    Bigpond, this is very interesting:

    Yep. Italy & US. It’s nice to have a back door. Have lived in both countries and have served in militaries for both (US first), which was odd. Anyway, there are many advantages wrt travel restrictions. Yeah, it’s super cool and I would recommend you go for it as long as the country is some place you like to go.

    I know a fellow who served in both the USN and the Royal Navy, and I know a couple of folks who served in the IDF after US prior service. But I don't know anyone who served US and Italy. What branches? How did they compare?

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    Thanks for the insight Peck, and it would be a Canadian-Austrian situation. It is curious the requirements are different based on what side of 1983 you were born on.

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    UK and US. I value my UK citizenship greatly because it also makes me an EU citizen. At least until I am stripped of those rights and privileges if/when it happens with Brexit.

    I have no issue with "allegiance" to more than one country. Maybe if I were a US/Russian or North Korean citizen I'd feel more conflicted. Where I happened to be born is just a random circumstance of events.

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    I’ve got dual, if anything else you can feel like James Bond with more than one passport.

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    US citizen here but submitted documents for Austrian citizenship about 5 months ago.

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    After my obstreperous ancestors pulled away in the Revolution and after the War of 1812, I don't think the English would take me back even as a dual-citizen. The rest of my lineage is too vague to claim. The Indian nations wouldn't have me with a gift card, so here I am.

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    I suppose that if you don't hold any allegiance to your native country, then having dual citizenship wouldn't present any conflicts.

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    I'm a Texan/U.S. Citizen! Does that count?

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    wolflarsen you have a PM

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    I suppose that if you don't hold any allegiance to your native country, then having dual citizenship wouldn't present any conflicts.

    It actually does. And this irredentist attitude makes life very difficult for those who leave a place and move to another out of conviction, and not because they want the handouts; all the more when such attitude is adopted by governments.

    I happen to have dual citizenship. Allow me to rephrase that in a way that is more consistent with the truth: I have dual citizenship, which I DON'T want, being FORCED ON me. I want to be nothing but Canadian, but the other POS country's laws don't allow their former citizens to give up citizenship. Worse, if you were born there and want to visit, you must enter their country as a citizen of it; if you try to enter with a Canadian passport they will fine you heavily. Thing is, Canada's law states that if you enter another country as a non-Canadian, you relinquish any help the Canadian consulate might give you if something happens. So, even if one cares nothing about honour and loyalty, even for pragmatic reasons dual-citizenship can backfire in some instances.

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    For those of you talking about allegiance and loyalty, I'm curious - what situation do you envision that would force you to choose between one or the other? Many people have dual citizenship between mutually friendly Western democracies. I don't really envision a war between the US and the UK, Canada, the EU, etc any time soon.

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    Friendly countries do not always stay friendly. Then there are economic (trade wars, balance of payments, etc.) considerations with regard to loyalty, also politics (Germany making nice with Russia while NATO still considers Russia a logical foe) are a consideration. Then there is spy v. spy. Are you pulling for US spies, GB spies, French spies? Divided loyalties are a serious problem for many with dual citizenships.

    Then there is the big consideration, who to root for when one of your countries is playing soccer against the other? Or, the Olympic games? Who to pull for? Serious question.

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    Lazar, it's hard to explain. Just something that on a visceral level, either you're okay with the notion of, or you're not. I don't consider myself some sort of "world citizen", so to me, the "random circumstance" of where I was born is very important.

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    Being subjected to one national government is punishment enough for one lifetime.

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    That's true about friendly countries @warren. Right now we're seeing shifting alliances and baiting between the US and ostensibly "friendly" countries, and cozying up to "unfriendly" ones. But I don't make my judgements based on which country I was born in - I make them based on the circumstances and my ethical considerations of the issues. "My" country isn't always right just because I happened to be born in it. If the US were to attack the UK unprovoked, I would be on the side of the UK, and vice versa. As far as economics, trade wars, sports, spies etc., I don't see why it matters who I root for. Unless I were a spy, a policy maker, a global capitalist, or a sports star, it's not going to make any difference to anybody.

    I think you're right, @aldecaker - it's just one of those things that resonates on a deep emotional level for some people, while others just don't get it.

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    If I was rich enough, I'd pay to purchase Portuguese and Maltese and Cypriot citizenship just to have a few more passports in my rotation!

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