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  1. toobfreak

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    It has really been the dregs these past few days, it seems that the more substantive the topic, the quicker it shorts out across the wires and blows the mains. So I've been really wondering, I see all kinds of bargain blends out there, stuff that SWR, CH and Capt. Black are a step up from! And they only come in 12 oz. bags, no little tins, so, there must be a lot of people smoking all of this stuff to keep these brands in business! But I don't see them discussed here.

    Is it that those people don't visit forums like this, or are all you OTC-Lite brand smokers just quiet?

    I'm just wondering, does anyone smoke:

    Virginia Gold?
    Farmer's Gold?
    Gambler? (Are you feeling lucky?)
    4 Aces?
    Kentucky Select?
    Largo?
    Ohm? (Resistance is futile, right?)
    Super Value?
    Smoker's Pride?
    Admiral's Choice?
    Jester?
    752?
    High Card?
    Better Smoke?

    Like I said, most of these are only sold in 12-16 oz. bags, so somebody must be sucking them down! Anyone care to comment?

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    I don't. Aside from 3-4 of those named, most are cigarette tobacco that's been rebranded as pipe tobacco to avoid taxation. I'm sure some people around here smoke these but we are primarily not the market.

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    It has really been the dregs these past few days, it seems that the more substantive the topic, the quicker it shorts out across the wires and blows the mains.

    It's a nervous time in the West. Thus small things become huge in the mind. For this reason, substantive topics may be contentious... extra-contentious.

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    Agreed. Most of them are RYO tobacco, and not very good RYO at that. Super Value, Smoker's Pride, and Admiral's Choice are the ones I know of that are cut and prepared like a regular pipe tobacco.

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    FWIW, I've heard that Super Value's English blend is surprisingly good, but I haven't gotten around to trying that one yet.

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    I was actually wondering the same thing. When I purchased my first pouch of Half & Half the other day, there was an entire wall of these huge bags of tobacco at Low Bob's Discount Tobacco. I've ignored them because the few people I know who smoked them said they weren't bad, but, they were cigarette smokers and obviously have no idea what "good" is to me anymore.

    They were also very cheap. You get what you pay for.

    I can only recall brief mentions of them on this site as being RYO cigarette tobacco and not of the greatest quality.

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    Toob, in MY OPINION those RYO's are why the tobacco deeming laws are crippling our choices. I could be wrong BUT I've seen them packaged in giant bags listed as "pipe tobacco".

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    The assholes didn't do us any favors, Tim, that's for damned sure.

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    most are cigarette tobacco that's been rebranded as pipe tobacco to avoid taxation

    Well, that explains a lot. I'm not interested in any of these, but I've seen a few of them mentioned in passing here, such as Smoker's Pride. But either someone is buying a lot of this stuff or someone is /sitting/ on a lot of this stuff and sure wants to move it.

    BTW, Best of the Rest used to be marketed as sweepings of various spilled or lost-labeled tobaccos. The promise there was that you might get anything! I bought a couple pounds but of course all I got was what appeared to be bargain tobacco (but at not that great a bargain since I didn't know what it was). The stuff was OK. Looking through the P&C catalog now I see it is now marketed as a fixed product. A blend all its own. I suspect it has been that way for a while.

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    Super Value can be found in two ounce packages and at least a couple of them are quite decent. When I first started smoking a pipe, the first blends I tried were a pouch of Captain Black White, and a pouch of Super Value Butter Rum I found at a shop. I've smoked them again since then, and I actually liked the Super Value more than the Captain Black. I don't recall the other Super Value blends I tried, but they weren't terrible, and are indeed meant for a pipe and not a RYO. I'll definitely choose a Super Value over Captain Black Cherry any day.

    Edit: Super Value pouches are 1.5 ounce, not two ounce.

    Edit to add: Super Value is manufactured by Sutliff.

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    Yeah, RYO packaged as pipe tobacco as a tax dodge i think. A family member sent me a bag of 4 Aces Regular she bought me before she discovered a good tinned blend, and sent that too. It seems to be Virginia leaf, not inspiring but not awful. It can be used to extend a blend or single leaf. By itself, it's mild and, to me, not oppressive with cigarette flavor. Perhaps better than nothing, but nothing I smoke much. If that were all I had, I'd probably smoke it now and then.

    Hey, the quality of original threads on this site is a reflection of us, you too. If you don't like it, get those imaginations fired up, study up on some pipe subjects, and elevate the quality here. You're talking about yourself here. This ain't somebody else's conversation.

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    I've had Smoker's Pride - forgot which one - but it was just fine. It wa s quite a long time ago.

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    MSO, most topics I'd really like to talk about would probably get me banned or arrested in many western countries! Shot dead in eastern ones.

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    most are cigarette tobacco that's been rebranded as pipe tobacco to avoid taxation

    The root of the problem is punitive taxation. If the government was prohibited from abusing its taxing authority in this manner, we would likely not have such problems.

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    I sometimes smoke Sparrow in a cob when doing yard work, but yep, all listed are relabeled RYO cigarette tobacco.

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    I'll propose a topic before I slip off to bed. I just purchased a Tim Thorpe pipe and in my communication with him he mentioned he uses white briar for his pipes. Indeed, the wood is very light colored and I swear the briar tastes different upon initial smokes, so far, than the brown or redish brown briar I'm more familiar with. Anyone, knowledgeable of the different briar types?

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    My run with RYOs is that they are drier than what most pipe smokers want, and are cased for cigarettes or not cased at all. It's good tobacco, and not the same rehydrated cellulose that most cigarettes use. For the pipe, it's ok. I prefer a more refined leaf, but for someone who wants to try as much different experiences as possible, give it a whirl. It's cheap. Some is as good as a few unnamed pipe tobacco companies.
    Yeh, they threw the pipe industry under the buss. Screw cigarette companies in general. But, one bag isn't going to make or break. I really like a few Peter Stokkebye RYO shag cuts in my pipe. Stockholm and Amsterdam are interesting. Drum tastes like a nice VaBur with Kentucky Fire Cured. Bugler, Kite, just seem like rehydrated cigarette crap to me.

    All in all, there are way better blends to explore in the pipe world. But, if someone is curious, it's easy and worth a try. It really helped me quit cigarettes. Plus, the first thing I noticed is how the briar affects smell and taste. It's really a much better fragrance than when rolled.

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    Bagged D&R tobacco is great for pipes, and can double as RYO.

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    Great topic Toob.

    As I slowly build my cellar I have been acquiring some of the, er, uhm.... economical options as well. Especially if they're on the milder mellower side, my thinking being that for new prospective initiates that I'm trying to bring into the briar brotherhood, get em enjoyin the pipe and an easy smoke, then we'll explore tobacco offerings at a later date.

    That being said I have recently purchased Smokers Pride Whiskey and Black Cavendish as well as Cap'n Black Regular, Black Gold and Cherry. My son had picked up a big bag of the 4 Aces as well.

    Out of all of these cheaper smokes, I find the SP Black Cavendish to be the most mellow. Made even better by letting it dry out a bit. The SP Whiskey is a Close 2nd. I find the Cap'n Black Cherry to be another reasonable smoke although a bit stronger than the SP's.

    Last on the list is the 4 Aces. Have tried blending it with others but in the end it is all but un-smokable. Just too harsh for me and I'm an avid Full Body Cigar Smoker.

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    @toobfreak:


    I bought a couple pounds but of course all I got was what appeared to be bargain tobacco (but at not that great a bargain since I didn't know what it was). The stuff was OK. Looking through the P&C catalog now I see it is now marketed as a fixed product. A blend all its own. I suspect it has been that way for a while.

    The cynical economist view is that all people are self-interested actors in the market. Therefore, if it is cheaper to throw a bunch of RYO (gag) into a bucket and mix it and claim it is scraps, that is what you will get, every time or at least nearly every time. It's just money. Everyone wants more, which means reducing costs and increasing prices. We are all slaves to the one with the horns.

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    I not sure it is cynicism. It is more understanding the market.

    My experience is , many of not most, people are serious about their moneys, especially those on very limited budgets who also smoke. Getting the most for your cash is a human trait and not all that many smokers are particularly discerning as to what they put in their pipe or the cigarette. They want what they perceive as the most for the buck. Be it automobiles, homes, peanut butter or tobacco people want value over quality.

    Alcohol and tobacco, as admitted vices, lend themselves to the mind set. They are guilty pleasures to begin with. So, stinting on quality seems very logical.

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    At one time, tobacco was just tobacco. Pipe smokers bought the same stuff that the rollers would twist into cigarettes and the chewers would chaw on. It's just tobacco for god's sake. Sure, there is more refined, cased, pressed, topped tobaccos, but... listen, when my tobacco plants (Virginias) start to drop sand lugs off the bottom, I cram these into my pipe and they are a damned fine smoke... sure, it's not 1Q or Stonehaven, but it is a pure tobacco.

    How many guests from the tobacco industry do we have to have on the PM radio show tell us that the myth of floor sweepings and quality are just myths?

    I don't recommend RYO pipe tobacco, mainly because no matter how pure we may say that we want our tobacco to be, the proof is that when a pure, uncased, topped or processed tobacco is given to them, they don't like it. Thus, we want stuff added to our tobaccos.
    But, the truth is that RYO pipe tobacco is taken straight from farmers (same quality as all pipe companies use) and they just directly shove it into a bag. They save a fortune on not advertising in any way.
    And, actually the only "organic" and pesticide free tobaccos were RYOs.

    But, all in all, I think that people confuse quality with processes and stuff added to the tobacco. We have gotten finicky. We don't accept the the same tobacco can be piped, rolled, or chawed. We want specialization, we want marketing, and processed.

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    Smoke Burley and VA mostly but I'm on a limited budget and have found some of these to be more than worth the price. VA Gold is made by Lane, the Vanilla is good the Black Cav is nothing special. Super Value is Sutliff, I haven't tried any yet. Smoker's Pride is another Lane product, only had the Rich Taste and like it enough to stock up. Fine on it's own but really good at stretching some blends or toning down others. Admiral's Choice is another Sutliff blend, the Vanilla is alright, used to be available at drugstores in the aisle with candy and pipe tobacco.

    Also a good point by Cosmic and one I've always held, tobacco=tobacco. Prince Albert was once a "long burning pipe and cigarette tobacco". Not sure what happened. And I couldn't agree more about people thinking they want "pure" tobacco, give them some Burley straight off the farm.

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    I really like a few Peter Stokkebye RYO shag cuts in my pipe. Stockholm and Amsterdam are interesting. Drum tastes like a nice VaBur with Kentucky Fire Cured.

    I have to second this. Amsterdam is great and both varieties of Drum are quite tasty.


    But, the truth is that RYO pipe tobacco is taken straight from farmers (same quality as all pipe companies use) and they just directly shove it into a bag.

    Also sounds tempting. Basic is good. Then again, my favorite minimally processed tobacco is Cotton Boll Twist, and it mixes well with something you would never want to smoke in a cigarette, Hal O' The Wynd. Some of the specializations for pipe and cigar tobacco bring out additional flavors and more Nicotine effects in ways that seem quite positive to me...

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    You might just as well get a big ol bag of Best of the Rest from P&C if it's still available, always a good smoke, never disappointing, however for reasons Im not going to get into I don't shop P&C anymore so just my codger blends will do for me

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    Stokkebye bulk helped me transition from rolling to packing. Amsterdam is also available in a pipe cut although I've smoked the shag RYO version in a few briars and enjoyed it greatly.

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    I don't know what Cosmic is talking about. You can always discern the quality of tobacco from the tin art. And if it comes in anything other than a tin, it's just sawdust with bug parts mixed in.

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    Unless you are incredibly frugal and not very discerning, most of those blends aren't worth the effort.

    Last week, in Bethlehem at the monthly pipe club meeting, the cigar guru for the restaurant came over to the group and introduced himself. He said there was some "Pipe tobacco" in the cigar humidor, and did we have any interest in it. He said it had been there for years. A few guys said sure, so he brought it out. Three open bags of "Smokers Pride". No takers. He was a little hurt, but we told it was only repackaged RYO tobacco.

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    "...incredibly frugal and not very discerning..."

    Al, that's the most diplomatic way I've ever heard anyone say "derelict hobo" in my entire life!

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    no matter how pure we may say that we want our tobacco to be, the proof is that when a pure, uncased, topped or processed tobacco is given to them, they don't like it

    When I was a kid I once stole a leaf of dark fired from the barn and (poorly) rolled a cigarette with it.

    The results were less than optimal. A leather-lunged old man who smoked unfiltered pall malls for 50 years would have a tough time smoking KDF straight outta the barn. It's turns your lungs into fire ... burns your nose and throat ... makes you cough your lungs clear out of your chest ... turns your face completely green ... makes the whole world spin around you at about 250 RPMs ... and also causes you to speak in tongues that have either been dead for a thousand years, or aren't from Earth in the first place.

    In other words ... I don't recommend it.

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    Yeh, I once took some burley from the barn, and was like smoking cardboard, in taste and the way it burned.

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    Can I have his liver?

    How do you claim self-defense when the man is naked in your shower???

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    He dropped the soap?

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    Clearly, none of you have ever had to go mano a mano with a nude stranger in the shower.

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    Oh, not so Dan. That's how I met my wife.

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    "Eastern Promises", anyone?

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