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About That 9004 From My Wife

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  1. chasingembers

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    Last week, I mentioned my wife getting me an old Savinelli 9004 as an early Father's Day gift. Original Thread When it arrived, the stem was heavily oxidized, and more oxidation than I had previously dealt with. To avoid much material loss, I opted to restore the stem without using sandpaper or micromesh, and only used Magic Erasers, Beekeeper's Friend, toothpaste, and a lot of thumb buffing.

    The before pics are the original eBay images, so sorry about the quality, but as you can see, lots of oxidation to begin with, and a mirror black surface after.

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    Nice job saving that stem. Never heard of the toothpaste trick before. Makes sense because its slightly abrasive but not so much that it would damage it.

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    Great job...looks terrific!

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    That’s an excellent job for sure. One question...wouldn’t the amount or depth of the oxidation be the same, regardless of what you used to remove it? Or is that the point of your post, to say that by using the things you did, you were able to fine-tune and pinpoint the exact amount of material to remove, and avoid any unnecessary removal?

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    Or is that the point of your post, to say that by using the things you did, you were able to fine-tune and pinpoint the exact amount of material to remove, and avoid any unnecessary removal?

    Exactly. Sandpaper and micromesh are good for fine oxidation when you can see black beneath it, and kinda know where you are going when you start. I wasn't sure how much stem was left under all of that oxidation.

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    I see my auto correct decided to be clever in the original post. It should read "Barkeeper's Friend", not "Beekeeper's".

    Never heard of the toothpaste trick before.

    I use it for finer polishing after the Barkeeper's Friend. I will also often use toothpaste on a vulcanite stem after smoking just for a mild cleaning before applying Obsidian Oil.

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    It should read "Barkeeper's Friend", not "Beekeeper's".

    ha! I was going to ask what that was, but resigned myself to Google it later

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    I see my auto correct decided to be clever in the original post. It should read "Barkeeper's Friend", not "Beekeeper's".

    Arrgh... An' I was lookin' forward to some honey on the hard tack....

    Nice job there, Cap'n!

    Gunner, Black Frigate. Say "Hello" to my little friend!
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    Wow! That is amazing!

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    Thanks for the kind words everyone! With as many 904/9004 restorations as I have under my belt, I can probably do them in my sleep. This was an entirely different animal without sandpaper and micromesh. It was actually surprising how well it turned out, and instead of a single sitting for a stem restoration, this one took multiple sittings over the course of several days. Slowly etching away the oxidation to get to the stem beneath. The end result was actually a bit more satisfying.

    Arrgh... An' I was lookin' forward to some honey on the hard tack....

    I actually have been considering getting into beekeeping.

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    I have a Chacom estate with some oxidation that I'd like to tidy up.

    Since it will be my first de-oxidation attempt, I've been reading up on everyone's technique.

    If you'd like to detail the order in which you proceeded with yours, I'd be grateful.

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    Okay, if you want to go my usual route, start with wet 1000 grit paper or pads and check your work as you go under a bright light until you see no more oxidation. Work slowly, and keep both paper and stem wet, and only use enough pressure to keep the paper on the stem. Let the paper do the work. Go from 1000-3500 grit wet sanding, then proceed through 4000-12,000 grit dry sanding. Wash the stem under water and dry it off. Then apply Obsidian Oil or your choice of protectant.

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    For the 9004 listed above, I scrubbed it hard with Mr. Clean extra durable Magic Erasers, until no oxidation was visible. Eight pads and many hours later, I started shining the matte surface with several applications of Barkeeper's Friend, and did a final polish with a whitening toothpaste using my thumb to buff the surface. Obsidian Oil was applied and wiped off with a T-shirt rag.

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    I think I got a 4" angle grinder and some Castrol GTX out there.

    I'll get right on it. Thanks, Duane!

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    Very welcome Jay. Sometimes I think I really do need to get a buffer.

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    Great job, Cap'n! Lovely pipe!

    Arrrrr, shiver me timbers! International Talk Like a Pirate Day is September the 19th!!!
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    Stellar, Skipper!

    Head Black Frigate keelhauler, boss powder monkey, & troublemaker 1st class.
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    Great job, Cap'n! Lovely pipe!

    Stellar, Skipper!

    Thanks fellas. Never thought I could get that sort of shine without sandpaper! Just saw your signature Bill. Love it!

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    Just saw your signature Bill. Love it!
    Ditto! Welcome aboard, Bill!

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    We swab off the deck and white wash the planks
    Use Beekeeper's Friend to shine our pipe shanks
    We wind up our ropes and stow all the oars
    And look for more places to stow 904's...

    Now summer's upon us, we're ready to sail
    The Frigate's a-gleamin' from bow, stern and rail
    The leaks are all plugged and barnacles scraped
    And from the main mast, Ol' Roger is draped

    Say bye to the missus and load up your pack
    For God only knows just when we'll be back
    Beyond the horizon is where we be goin'
    Until the holds bulge with the gold we be stowin'

    And piles of the crumble cake weigh down the hull
    And just to keep ballast, we dump cannon ball
    The Chief Powder Monkey is climbin' aboard
    The newest hand seeking a piece of the hoard

    We cast off the lines and drift from the moor
    Eager to distance ourselves from the shore
    The first wave of foam breaks over the side
    We fire up our pipes and prepare for the ride

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    Seems our prodigal bard 'as made himself know. In rare form no less. Bravo Jay.

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    Jay, I freakin' love it when you do that! One of these days we need to get all those in one place. Every single one of them is a masterpiece.

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    Looks good, Duane, sounded like a lot of labor!

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    Nice job there Duane.

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    It always amazes me at how you guys turn a pig into a swan. Well done Chasing, I hope you enjoy how it smokes.

    Harris
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    Impressive. Beautiful pipe.

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    One question...wouldn’t the amount or depth of the oxidation be the same, regardless of what you used to remove it?

    Yes

    Or is that the point of your post, to say that by using the things you did, you were able to fine-tune and pinpoint the exact amount of material to remove, and avoid any unnecessary removal?

    That gets complicated.

    If you remove ONLY the green---which is NEVER evenly distributed---you end up with an out-of-shape, lumpy, weird-ass-looking stem.

    The stem must be entirely re-cut to its original proportions. How much reduction is involved? To where there's no green left... (every case is different)

    Here's a realtime, no-edits video demonstration of the most efficient method I know of:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFwwtvtKlXW8nWQ-E9oO-YwMqCWuvBHDE

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    Great info thanks for the post!

    Brothers Of The Black Frigate
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    Thank you, George! Excited to watch those!

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    Excellent work. I might try your plan on a few stems I have.

    Michael
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    Love the yellow fingers George, mine look the same everytime. The only thing different I do normally is start with a higher grit of sandpaper or micromesh. Usually around 1000 grit. I was afraid to do that with the stem from the OP because I couldn't see any black from the start.

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    Hey--great looking restoration, beautiful pipe! I've used the aptly named Magic Erasers on fragile stems too--my dad's old danish pipe looks new now. It's definitely a "slow and steady" wins the race affair. And for my slightly abrasive paste, I use a high-shine car buffer. Worked wonders. Love seeing these 9004s!

    “Difficulties are what makes it honorable and interesting to be alive.” Florida Scott-Maxwell
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    Hey--great looking restoration, beautiful pipe!

    Thanks! Here's a better shot minus the glare.

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    Chase, I believe you now have the world market on 9004's cornered.

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    I'm trying! The current production 904s are safe, but the discontinued 9004s and discontinued lines of 904s are always being watched for!

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    Great job! That pipe looks fantastic. I have a giant backlog of pipes to do this to. Sigh.

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    A cleaner before and after.

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    I have a giant backlog of pipes to do this to. Sigh.

    Me too. I put that one at the top of the list since my wife bought it for me.

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    That cleaned up very nicely and is a beautiful pipe

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    "ust saw your signature Bill. Love it!" -- Tnx, Duane! I owe Anthony for the pic. A little resize & bada-boom, done. You know me -- a little oddball, combined with a perverse sense of the absurd for humor, topped with a little semi-false humility due to being the FNG on the ship, & the frigate's resident jester is born. [appropriately subservient bow]

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    Yeah, you're one of us.

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    If this keeps up we may have to get a second ship!

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    We've lost a couple to that darned Royal Yacht, we'll be alright...for now.

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    We've lost a couple to that darned Royal Yacht,
    I'll take the Frigate over any royal yacht any day. They're probably sitting pretty on that yacht, drinking fruity drinks, wearing loafers and khaki shorts, with pink sweaters tied at the neck over their polos... nah... we be real men aboard the 'Frigate! Leathers and boots with a saber and a flintlock at the sash, good ale, rum, and whisky for us! ....and more women too!

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    we be real men aboard the 'Frigate! Leathers and boots with a saber and a flintlock at the sash, good ale, rum, and whisky for us! ....and more women too!

    And the smell.

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    Go from 1000-3500 grit wet sanding

    Ever try starting at the fine end of these, and working coarser where needed, and then back up as usual? I find this helpful if I'm trying to minimize material-removal on stuff, especially if I find that I don't need to go to, or barely use the "1000", for example.

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    Can't say I have. I always started with 1000 for complete oxidation removal, and work my way up for polishing. I will have to give your method a try. Hadn't thought of that.

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    "drinking fruity drinks, wearing loafers and khaki shorts, with pink sweaters tied at the neck " -- Yer killin' me, anthony, jes' killin'....

    Besides, we're pah-rts -- we need a new ship, we just, er, "find" one, if ye's takes my meaning? Do we have an accord??

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    Do we have an accord??
    Aye.... but I'm not so sure how well she floats.

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    Sad. Just sad. Arrrr.....

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    FTFY!

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    That's perfect, Jay! Now she looks right proper!

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    Fantastic Resto !!

    Albert Einstein was once quoted as saying, “I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs.” One of the reasons behind this statement is that pipe smoking is meant to be a slow leisurely activity. It takes patience to smoke a pipe. Unlike cigarettes and cigars, there is a certain amount of technique to smoking a pipe. Where cigars and cigarettes can just be picked up, lit and puffed on, pipes require the development of a technique in order to get the best smoking experience.
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    Thanks! That one is scheduled for its inaugural smoke Sunday for Father's Day. I'm tweaking an Oriental bomb for its reintroduction to the smoking world.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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