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A Dunhill Set (1925)

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  1. forciori

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    Perhaps the most important piece of my modest Dunhill collection, the set of three - beautiful and in great condition - pipes Ao (Bruyère) w/ (inner tube 5861/12) from 1925, under Alfred's management. Acquired at auction, was very dirty but in excellent condition:

    - Stem and the bit in perfect shape with the reg. number 654638 intact;
    - All the pipes with perfectly visible marks;
    - All the bowls beautifully symmetrical;
    - The case in great condition, with a few signs of age, but very beautiful.
    - 3 shapes: Billiard, 60; Billiard, 35 & Dublin - 42.

    Let's see how it was?



    They were without the inner tubes. I sent an e-mail to Dunhill and they sent me, free of charge, three new and original tubes.

    The stems after polished with the inner tube already:


    The pipes after cleaning:


    Practically new. =)

    Other pics:





    The case with Pat. N. 141486/19:

    Using o/:




    The set and some of his brothers:

    That's all folks! See you around.

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    Your collection and photos are amazing. Thanks for posting. All of your threads with photos are enjoyable to look at.

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    Thanks, man! Very kind.

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    Top notch job on the clean up! I also have to add that your pictures show real flair and a great talent for lighting, texture, composition, and telling a story.

    Thanks for your posts!

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    Very nice.


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    Amazing job at the refurbishment. The pics are killer, definitely top notch pipe porn.

    forciori, thanks for taking the time, really amazing stuff.

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    Great stuff! Thanks for posting.

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    Excellent job on the refurbishment! Those pipes look absolutely beautiful! I have to ask....how did you end up with such a Dunhill fetish? Do you enjoy the way they smoke? The classic shapes? The general luxury connotation? Are there other makers you enjoy?

    Ive always admired the shapes. Just not the price.....:)

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    Thanks. The stems were polished by me and the cleaning by my friend, Naddeo (some pictures were taken by him too).

    So, If you think about it then you'll realize that Alfred Dunhill has redefined the market. He was a prolific inventor and a great businessman.
    Every time that you have a blasted pipe in your hands, remember to make the deference to the inventor; without Alfred, we would not have the so esteemed blasted pipes.
    Why do I admire Dunhill? Because every Dunhill pipe it's historical, traditional, beautiful, elegant, datable and artistic. And of course, they don't devalue over time. I know the value of every penny that I have, so I do not consider it strategic to invest in things that not are going to be worth anything over time.

    Like any pipes of any brand, some are fantastical, some are not so much. I do not have pipes from any other brand, not anymore. Just dunnies, that's it.

    What defines luxury? An ATV with a moose horn (it seems) can be considered an extravagance, right?
    I do not have pipes to affirm me socially, I have pipes because I love to smoke a good and traditional pipe.

    I see my friends buying much more expensive pipes than Dunhills or buying a myriad of cheaper pipes (which is the same), and I don't see this turning into a social class discussion. "Quantity is not quality". There is a difference between price and value: I do not observe the price, I observe the value.

    So, that's it! Thanks!

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    I am glad to hear you have found a marque that inspires you. Nothing wrong with a little pride in ownership, and if you find value in it, then more power to you, regardless of your reasons. I just like to hear how people come to love the things they love.

    Being as new to the field as I am, I'm simply keeping it cheaper (Sav, Pete, Nording, etc.) to explore various shapes until I find the ones I like at which point I will take the step to invest in fewer, higher quality options. I do know I like the classic billiards and dublins though, and just recently purchased my first Ashton. It is my first higher price point pipe. Nothing against Dunhill, as they certainly make some beautiful ones, just liked that particular available new Ashton better aesthetically than any of the estate Dunhills that were on the market at this time.

    And yes, an ATV (and the bush plane not pictured) are certainly an extravagance, and a luxury. But ones that are deep rooted in the culture of Alaskans and that help us put 600+ pounds of sustainable, organic, lean, and delicious moose meat on our families tables every year. Would the price be cheaper and easier to buy beef at the grocery store? Almost certainly after accounting for Avgas, maintenance, gear, etc. But this does not have the intangible value that comes with flying, hunting, and busting your ass to put food on the table generation after generation. The lifelong value of the memories created in learning it when you are young, and teaching it when you are older. And the value that comes with a unique and special cultural identity. In addition, meat tastes a hell of a lot better when you put the effort in to harvest it, then pack it from the field to the atv, the atv to the meat pole, the pole back to the atv, the atv into the airplane, fly the airplane home, then out of the airplane and into the truck, out of the truck and into the garage, and then butchered, packed, and prepared all independently as a family. 600 pounds at a time. Especially if that meat is harvested by someone you love, for the very first time.

    Whether it's a collection of Dunhills, or an ATV, if it makes you happy and gives you a reason to smile, I say give it all you got, and who cares what anyone else thinks.

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    Exquisite! Awesome job giving life back into it

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    Every time that you have a blasted pipe in your hands, remember to make the deference to the inventor; without Alfred, we would not have the so esteemed blasted pipes.

    That may or may not be true. Dunhill was great at marketing for sure. Many even believed early pieces had ivory for they're white dots.

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/early-sandblasted-pipes-many-unknowns-yet-remain

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    It's possible, for sure. But we're talking about history and we can't denie the history with speculations, right? History builds with facts and the fact is: who registered the patent was Alfred. That's undeniable, that's history. You don't have to be negationist just because you don't like the brand. Thanks.

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    Brands like Dunhill are not built with lies. I don't remember seeing a Dunhill propaganda that saying the spot was ivory. Did you? Thanks.

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    History builds with facts

    My point exactly, no reason to be a denialist.

    "First, as a historical note, be sure to note that this YELLO-BOLE is SANDBLASTED!!! And, it was made between 1932 and 1935. Now, how do you suppose that could happen since Alfred Dunhill applied for his United States Patent for sandblasting in 1918 and it was granted by the United States Patent Office in 1920 (Patent Number 1341418/20). The Patent should preclude other pipe companies from sandblasting pipes for a minimum of 20 years - - - but in less than 15 years this YELLO-BOLE was sandblasted! What that tells you is that KB&B was sandblasting PRIOR TO Alfred Dunhill "inventing" and patenting the sandblasting process!!!

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    This doesn't confirm anything. The patent does not guarantee that no one will apply the concept, it ensures that the credit has to be given to the inventor **if he claims the right**. The fact that Alfred did not complain cannot configure presumption of guilt.

    If it was someone else's creation, why wasn't it registered? Even if it hadn't been registered, why didn't the inventor claim the right? This doesn't make any sense. Again, this is speculations. Present me facts, not conjectures...

    You don't have to be negationist just because you don't like the brand.

    ...Get over it, man! Thanks!

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    How does a nice set of Dunnies create a pissing contest?

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    Duane, can you tell me the source of the quote? Not all patents were for 20 years. Many, like the Barling stem design patents, were for 15 years. Besides, Dunhill didn't invent sandblasting. The acknowledged inventor of the sandblasting process is Benjamin Chew Tilghman, who patented the process in 1870. So sandblasting had been around for 47 years before Dunhill patents their process.

    The Dunhill patent claim to inventing sandblasting for pipes has long been a subject of disputation in the pipe history community. One of our most knowledgeable pipe historians, Tony Soderman, who passed away a couple of years ago, was adamant that Dunhill had stolen the idea from Barling. I thought that was nonsense. Everyone "knew" that Barling didn't start producing sandblasts until much later. But pieces of evidence have a way of floating up.

    There was a model in the Barling line called a "Niblick". No one had ever seen one. I had asked both Jon Guss and Tad Gage if they knew what a Niblick was and neither had any idea, having never seen one. It's an interesting model because it isn't constantly in the line. It occurs in the teens for a few years, the twenties for a few years and again in the late thirties. Then, a few years ago, a package arrived in my mail, a gift from a member here. It was a Barling Niblick, and it was a sandblast. Another Niblick turned up last year, and it too was a sandblast. Then another pipe history researcher sent me a scan from a catalog from 1917, listing a Barling Niblick. So while Dunhill did not invent the sandblasting process, they certainly seized on the esthetic possibilities and exploited them to the fullest extent.

    So if Barling did first invent a sandblasting process for pipes, why wouldn't they have patented it? Maybe because they weren't the first to sandblast a pipe. Maybe because producing sandblasts didn't interest Barling. They were into perfect smooths. Even long after the patents had expired, long after other makers were producing sandblasts, Barling didn't produce sandblasts, except for the very rare Niblicks. It just wasn't their thing until wartime shortages forced them to look at using less than perfect wood to create product, wood that couldn't produce a perfect smooth or an intricately carved quaint. And when they realized how popular blasts were, they went into making them wholeheartedly. They called their post WW2 sandblasts "Fossils". That term didn't get used until after the war. But here's another interesting tidbit that floated up. Barling registered the "Fossil" appellation in 1928. So they must have been thinking about it even though they weren't producing sandblasts. The deeper you dig into pipe history, the more interesting and convoluted it gets.

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    Beautiful pipes, Sir...enjoy them in good health and happiness.

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    How does a nice set of Dunnies create a pissing contest?

    =D You're right!

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    According to the story that I know, Alfred was already doing blasting tests in mid-1914 with Algerian briar, working together with the London Sandblasting Company. So it's not unlikely that another company was using in 1917.

    My point is: the patent is an official record, which in the end, is what matters to historical facts.

    But that's not so important.

    Thanks!

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    By the way, excellent observation, sablebrush52.

    Thank you!

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    I've been polishing pipes for decades and I've never gotten one to look like those. They look like they have a layer of glass applied over them. Simply beautiful.

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    Just stunning!
    banjo

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    Your devotion to the brand shines through. I'm glad these superb traditional pipes landed with you for the restoration and care they deserve. I'm no Dunhill guy, but I readily appreciate your amazing stable.

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    2nd look...stunning and the nomenclature is still perfect.

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    Your devotion to the brand shines through. I'm glad these superb traditional pipes landed with you for the restoration and care they deserve. I'm no Dunhill guy, but I readily appreciate your amazing stable.

    Very kind of you, thank you for this!

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    I've been polishing pipes for decades and I've never gotten one to look like those. They look like they have a layer of glass applied over them. Simply beautiful.

    Another kind guy! Thanks, man!

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    2nd look...stunning and the nomenclature is still perfect.

    I'm lucky!

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    Excellent refurb of your Dunhill set. The pipes don't appeal to me as I prefer bent pipes but I can appreciate the work nonetheless.

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    I'm afraid I'm going to be the dissenter, here.

    Unless it's the lighting, the stummels' color looks blotchy, which is definitely not what the Bruyere finish looked like at any time. (The shade morphed from a deep plum to a more reddish tone over the decades, but the color saturation/intensity/whatever-you-want-to-call-it has always been even and consistent).

    Did you polish them on a 3600 rpm jeweler's buffer? (one of those shoebox-sized machines where the shaft comes to a threaded point on each end) If so, that would cause the color mottling.

    Also, their glassy appearance looks both odd and historically wrong. If that's just shined wax and a heavy hand on the "clarity" edit function when you processed the photos, never mind. If it if some sort of glossy clear coat add-on finish, though, I would strongly recommend you stop using it on historically significant collectibles.

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    Yes, I'd love to see the last photo, the one I've popped in below, at the settings as it came out of the camera. I asked sometime ago about the extra-whiteness of a restored meerschaum, and did not see a reply.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I really don't understand the nature of this depreciation.
    The first time I appeared here, I had to be the victim of your indelicacy by suggesting that I was not deserved the pipes.
    I don't know who elected you to judge or define who should or shouldn't possess any pipe. Now, this?! Really?!
    What's your problem with me?

    Just to soothe your uncontrollable frustration:

    - No, I do not us any brush (I do not agree to use polisher in pipes.). I did by hand with soft cleaning cloth and Paragon Wax.

    You're so clever George, why you didn't notice that pictures were be treated to improve the exposure?

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    Yes, I'd love to see the last photo, the one I've popped in below, at the settings as it came out of the camera. I asked sometime ago about the extra-whiteness of a restored meerschaum, and did not see a reply.

    Really?! Okay! What is it: (?!):

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    This is becoming surreal. I give up.

    Enjoy working on your pipes, Forciori!

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    It's not worth anything just because it's not yours. I'm out.

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    I invest too much effort and money to find good pipes. We don't have specialized labor here. So, I buy the best products available and well recommended and, I personally, take care of each pipe with the utmost effort to not mischaracterize it. I work with things much more delicate than a pipe. I know the importance of details. I can assure you that any possible defect (that only the *incredible lord of the pipes* can see) was not caused by me. Anyone who observes the first picture will see that the only thing removed was the dirt.

    I have no conditions to guarantee "the purity laws" of the world of the pipes. All my pipes are in excellent condition, as anyone can see, and treated in the best possible way.
    There are no oxidization, bruises, burns... They don't even look like they're used. What's missing? I dare say that hardly any pipe show up here in these conditions.
    Again, what is the problem? What is the problem with this set? Even White Spot sent me parts at no cost to restore them. What's the point? It's a set of almost 100 years. It's impossible for him to be perfect. I don't understand and I won't try. I give up. Thank you all. Especially for those who treated me with respect. See you around.

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    Once again, please stay and share.

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    Great photos! Thanks for posting.

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    Very nice pipes and a lovely clean up job. I am always amazed how people get bent out of shape over very small things. This used to happened with the Classic Motorcycle world were someone would look at your bike and then tell you that the carburetor choke leaver was non-standardard since in 1935 Brough Superior used a different widget with a nickel plated finish! Use to drive me crazy.

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    OK, so maybe they're not 115% accurate. They're gorgeous; to me that's enough. If banjo liked them, who would I be not to?

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    You misunderstood George, what he meant was that you have basically lessened the historic value of the pipes. Should have sent to a professional to do the job.

    Also lovely pipes, if I was a burglar I would steal your Dunhills

    Cheers,
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    Nice job on the cleanup. It takes an eye to buy them the way they were, and see the potential of what they can be.

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    I don't think the OP posts here anymore.

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    I defended the OP once. The problem comes when he/she decides to be disrespectful to not only the preeminent pipe restoration expert on the board but also to one of the kindest, most helpful members of the pipe community. (Same guy in case that wasn't clear). This thread went over my threshold of defense.

    OP: I love to see some of your pipes but you gotta listen to the actual world experts in the field. In other words, cool off a bit and then come back to learn from the best.

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    @Captain I have seen him post on facebook groups, he's a young guy who earns a little too much. I wont defend his douchebaggery but damn I like his Dunhill Calabash lol. Anyone disrespecting the veteran smokers and restoration experts are just big dumbos !!

    Cheers,
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    Anyone disrespecting the veteran smokers and restoration experts are just big dumbos !!

    Nothing worse than being a big ol' dumbo!

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