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A Dunhill Question...

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  1. zack24

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    I have a great piece of briar just begging to be made into a variation of this shape. Some questions for the Dunhill experts to make sure i’m fairly accurate on the construction details-
    1) I assume the horn fits onto a stub tenon on the stummel.
    2) This is a military mount.
    3) I can’t tell from the pictures- is there a reinforcing brass ring where the stem inserts into the horn?

    BTW- this ones is available on Smoking Pipes- a beautiful pipe!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. dmcmtk

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    Zack, I'm not going to claim to know, but...

    1. I would assume so. It's hard to tell what material the trim band between the shank and the horn is, but that could have the "stubs" on both sides?

    2. That's what SP says, "On top of that, it also features a rare army mount turned from genuine horn..."

    3. If it doesn't have some kind of reinforcing ring...it should!

    Dave
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    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. briarblues

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    Zack,

    Here is a similar pipe on my site. Scroll down and you can see the end of the horn and how the stem fits. No brass.

    http://www.briarblues.com/ras156.htm

    On the horn to Ebonite to shank, I would also assume there is a tenon of some sort, be it metal or Ebonite, that is glued into the shank, to hold the floc in place.

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    Michael J. Glukler

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. zack24

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    Very helpful guys! The original was 5.93” long...I’m thinking scaling everything down slightly so it comes in at 5.25”...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. georged

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    I've see WAY too many problems with horn to willingly go anywhere near the stuff.

    Dogs live such short lives... and spend most it waiting for us to come home
    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. didimauw

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    I have nothing intelligent to say.

    But I'm excited to see the finished project, you do great work!

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. dmcmtk

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    The way the Danes at W.O. Larsen did it back in the day...

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  8. georged

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    Top-level makers using the best horn available still roll the dice every time they use it.

    This pipe hadn't even been smoked yet when the pics were taken. (After smoking, I'd be surprised if the extension didn't delaminate from the shank)


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  9. dmcmtk

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    Top-level makers using the best horn available still roll the dice every time they use it.

    No question about it George, even with the reinforcing ring, I've still seen cracked horn extensions...

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  10. zack24

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    If I was just trying to come up with something more bulletproof, I’d use a full length stainless tube that would reverse tenon into the stem...cut a slight recess in the horn to hide the shoulder of the stem and it would look exactly like the picture with fewer problems...but it just lacks that traditional feel of the army mount...might go the stainless steel route anyway- by the time I scale this down, it will cause even more problems...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. cosmicfolklore

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    Sorry, I was just eavesdropping. Is the problem with the material just that it is horn (maybe cracks easily and doesn't take glue well), or have other materials been used with more success? Such as maybe acrylic or some other material?

    Michael
    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Is the problem with the material

    Yep- ideally, when you glue two materials together, they shrink and swell a minimal amount at a similar rate. The pictures George showed showed shrinkage of the horn against a pretty stable material, Ebonite. The movement will crack it, break glue joints, and all manner of other nastiness. I made the mistake once of making 2 pipes wih a decorative calabash ring out of Monkeywood- a beautiful wood that as soon as the humidity changed, cracked on both pipes and separated the glue line on one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. briarblues

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    Zack, you nailed it. Humidity and temperature fluctuations can ( and often do ) create issues with horn. If you're based in So Cal it's one thing, however take the same pipe to MI and anything with horn in the Winter could be a problem. I'm with George on this 100%. I love the look, but would always be worried about cracking, shrinking etc.

    Regards
    Michael J. Glukler

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Sounds like i'll try the stainless steel running full length...that might save me some grief....and the stainless will eliminate heat and moisture on the horn....

    Posted 1 year ago #

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