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$6500 Too Expensive? Try This

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  1. chasingembers

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    Kent Rasmussen butterfly for $11,500.

    Damnation seize my soul if I give you quarters, or take any from you.
    -Edward Teach
    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. scrumpyjack

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    I already have 2 or I would pounce!

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    I'll think about it when I'm worth $115,000,000.00, but as that ain't coming anytime soon, I'll just say it is OMG beautiful! Who's selling it?

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    EBay seller "benandci". Click on the price in the OP for full listing.

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  5. sablebrush52

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    EBay seller "benandci".

    Jumpin' Jehoshaphat! He was involved in selling a fake Nordh on eBay a couple of years ago as well as posting numerous fakes. Marty Pulvers and some other members of the community got involved in trying to get him pulled from eBay, and tried to get his supplier of Chinese fakes shut down. Even though the faked carvers were contacted and identified his listings as fakes, eBay didn't pull his account.

    Buy at your own risk.

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    But... but... that can't be true, Jesse. He has 99.8% positive feedback!

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    I've seen the HS Studio brand on M. Pulver's site, but they are $100.00+ and these dirt cheap. They listing says the pipes are made in China, and for those prices I don't think either he or the makers are getting much to eat. The photos of the 11 5 pipe show very good grain, and the shaping is superb. But how could the seller possibly buy the pipe on a starvation diet?

    Pretty shaky and in line with past dealings.

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    Just looked at the listings (and yes, I know the back story) quite a few Chinese knock-offs of famous Danish shapes among them.

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    Posted 1 year ago #
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    But how could the seller possibly buy the pipe on a starvation diet?

    Before bidding went anonymous I watched benandci and happycall spend 1000's a week each for a couple of years on high grade pipes. They drove up the market including high end Castello's. It was an amazing time. After benandci's counterfeit scandal a couple of years ago I assumed the pipes he bought were used as examples for his carvers.

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  10. chasingembers

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    Could he possible use a similar process as Peder Jeppesen? Use the bought pipes as a master model, and have machines copy it?

    Peder's first step is to carve a pipe and have a machine copy the shape. After this is done, he slightly alters the shape to make each piece unique.

    -SPC

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  11. philairfoil

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    Jeez...I bought umm...four pipes from that guy on Ebay, all 'Jack Su' or "road town' brands...none for more than $50.

    They are not marked China, but he does state that in his ads.

    For the price they are good to go, but I didn't know he is of questionable character.

    Maybe he has children chained in the sweatshop...another workers paradise. heh.

    I guess I'll stick with English estate pipes on the bay.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. sablebrush52

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    If I remember correctly, some schmuck paid about $8300 for that clearly faked Nordh, a pipe that was shaped like a diseased testicle with cheap wood and a crack in it. That's when I realized that wealth, pipe smoking, and basic intelligence, were completely unrelated.

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    If I remember correctly, some schmuck paid about $8300 for that clearly faked Nordh, a pipe that was shaped like a diseased testicle with cheap wood and a crack in it. That's when I realized that wealth, pipe smoking, and basic intelligence, were completely unrelated.

    Now that's calling a spade a spade, and hilarious to boot!

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    I remember that scandal a little differently. I was talking to benandci and buying some bamboo pipes from him at the time. We had a member who was posting all sorts of slams against benandci, every time his name came up. The poster was a younger piper and is no longer here, but it was all heresay. No actual claims were filled against benandci, and it was just troll posting. I liked the forum member and was torn between believing his trolls and buying more pipes from benandci. Benandci is the US Distributor for the Chinese pipes he sells. They are made in China for a Canadian company, or at least that's what was happening back a few years ago when I was corresponding with him. Now, benandci is a legit distributor putting those pipes in retail pipe stores in the US, where they jack the prices. This is actually a running joke between Skip at The Briary and me, whenever he tries to show me one of the new bamboos. Distributors should not be competing with their retail customers. PERIOD>

    Now, I don't know the details of this guy's higher end pipes, except that he is representing some Asian markets. I don't make any claims that these are legit or not, because all I have is heresay also. But, I will note that the forum member who was making the big stink with the elaborate stories never showed any results... except maybe to do some damage to the rep of the vendor. But, maybe someone knows more details of the conspiracy than me. That's just the way I remember it. But, if someone is going to make a claim against a Vendor like that, they need to follow through and sue them, or else just STFU, IMO.

    Michael
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    cos, did you read Jesse's post about this guy? Seems pretty clear to me that benandci has been proven to be a rip off artist. I don't think Marty Pulvers would get involved if the guy was legit. Marty knows his stuff.

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    Just for interest, here is the PM thread including references to Eltang declaring the pipes as fakes:

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/warning-fraudster-on-ebay-selling-counterfeit-eltangs-possibly-castellos-etc

    There are other threads on other sites as well. Just do a Google search using "pipesmagazine" and "fake Nordh" as key words.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. cosmicfolklore

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    Well, once again, if someone is getting screwed, why not take legal action over just making a bunch of posts? I know that if I was scammed, the first thing i would do would be to take legal action, over just bitching about it.
    And, that thread didn't have any proof, still just heresay, stuff that happened to other people they knew. However, I would advise any collector of high end pipes at that price to pursue a better venue than ebay anyways.

    It's still amusing to see people bash something other than a site sponsor anyways, ha ha, so... please don't let me get in the way.

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    I wish I had access to Pulvers' article from his site from that period. Evidently there was some kind of action taken and a number of those eBay listings were pulled.

    EDIT: It's not like fakes are a new phenomenon on eBay.

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    There was the case of the faked Upshalls:

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/is-upshall-going-out-of-buisness/page/3#post-1051036

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    ^ I like this one!

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    I read most of the link above and was staggered by how long the seller's auctions have come in for such criticism, and that he is still in business probably doing the same as before. Now that's staying power!

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    Several years ago, my eBay account was hacked and used to purchase several thousand pairs of Nike sneakers. After I notified eBay, they froze the account but not until a week had passed. During which the sneaker bonanza continued, shockingly. What I learned is ebay defers to PayPal when it comes to handling such issues. In the case of the 11k pipe, for example, eBay won’t do jack but PayPal would likely freeze funds linked to the account if a the item isn’t what it claimed to be without contact the vendor.

    @Cosmic, I think people in a community warning the community about a well known cheat is part of what being in a community is all about. Particularly when ample evidence of misdealings abound and the auction site has weak security.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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