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  1. alexnc

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    Didn't want to hijack the resealing an open tin thread - but saw mention of 4 oz mason jars there. And naturally 24 are to be delivered to me next Tuesday.

    Do you guys run them through a dishwasher? Or sterilize them in boiling water? Or just use them?

    How do I know they'll all be full in 24 days?

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    I don't bother with them, generally cleaner than if i took them out and washed them.

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    +1.

    Pack 'em as tight as you can. There will still be plenty of oxygen in the jar.

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    Yep, just use them...

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    Stick your nose in a brand new jar, take a good deep whiff, and then make your decision.

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    Stick your nose in a brand new jar, take a good deep whiff, and then make your decision.

    I agree. That's because they are coated with an anti microbial. I've stored tobacco both ways, rinsing the jar first and not rinsing. I haven't noticed any difference in the tobacco. So to me it doesn't really make a difference. If I have a lot of bulk tobacco to store I do not rinse the jars. I do leave them open for a few minutes though to let the smell dissipate.

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    I just rinse them out. To me the new jars stink a little just after you pop the top.

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    I just picked up 24 new quilted 4oz jars myself and threw the tobaccos right in. I haven't noticed a difference either way.

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    To me they have a distinct and unpleasant odor so I always first wash them out with hot soapy water.

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    Man, I would go with the 8oz jars... the 4oz are just too small.

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    I find the 4oz jars fit a tin perfectly.

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    I find the 4oz jars fit a tin perfectly.

    Yep, that's the size of the majority of my jars as they are a perfect fit for a tin.

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    Hmmm... I'll have to try them out. Do flakes fit in there with out having to cut them?

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    Yeah. They maybe bend a little.

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    The plan was to put full new tins in them and smoke them down as my large number of blends will allow. If I sense one is getting dry drop a aluminum moisture disc in (distilled water or cigar juice? - I have 25 waiting) Also have some humidification pillows on the side if needed. Sound like a plan? Double ziplocked Bill Bailey's Balkan blend started feeling dry after about 5 months, so I don't want to start losing good stuff!

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    If they are proper moisture when you jar them, they will stay that way. If they are too wet when you open a tin, leave it in the cracked tin until it's right, then jar it. I've never humidified a pipe tobacco ever, as it's always gone in jars from the tin.

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    I have humidified rolling tobacco by placing it in a Tupperware, covering with a moist paper towel and then lidding. Only takes a few hours.

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    Hopefully they won't need any humidity. Double zipped seems like 6 months or so is OK.

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    I open them up and let them air out for a few minutes to dissapatw the faint rubber ring smell, then fill them up. I have not had a problem yet. I have washed some out in super hot water before and had similiar results to the unwashed jars.

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    I wash new jars and lids just because of the odor of the spray that they add, and to clean the outside, and I keep spare lids on-hand. Never want to get stuck with a jar of VAs that needs a lid and the only thing you have on hand is a stinky latakia lid.

    Personally, using the 8oz ball/kerr regular-mouth or widemouth canning jars, I usually need one of those for a 1.5 to 2 oz tin of uncompressed tobacco, and it's usually nearly full, or totally full and needs some compressing. A 1.75oz tin of Blackhouse overflowed it even after some compression, so some stayed in the tin. Blackhouse has higher tobacco volume than most, but even some of my wetter tobaccos that weigh in at 1.75oz seem to nearly fill up those 8 oz'ers. 2oz tins of moderately moist shag-cut are the same thing. I want to get some 4oz jars so I can split a fresh tin up and keep the second jar unopened until the first one is done, thereby preserving the freshness of the second half of the tin. Just surprised to see people saying that they are getting full tins into a 4oz jar. Real wet flakes I could see maybe, but I don't know about a tin of Blackhouse or something similar, unless you really press it down a lot, which I don't like to do, so maybe that is the difference.

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    I just use 'em right out of the package.

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    unless you really press it down a lot, which I don't like to do, so maybe that is the difference.

    I guess I've never really understood this logic. One of the best ways to age tobacco is in its originally sealed tin and the tobacco is really really mushed in those. Why do people balk at compressing it in jars? There's still plenty of air in there.

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    pipesmokingtom
    ...Why do people balk at compressing it in jars?...

    I do sometimes compress it in there, just seems like sometimes it is too compressed and I feel like I am damaging the tobacco. Now I did go and check out my jars (8oz and 16oz), and I'll say that 2oz of flake should easily fit in a 4 oz jar, and 2 oz of fine shag or ribbon can fit but maybe I would think that I am forcing too much in there. I also looked at 4oz of blending latakia that fills a 16 oz jar when the jar is tapped and the tobacco is settled. That stuff I would not want to compress because I think that the tobacco would start to break up and crumble very easily, despite the moisture level being ok. I looked at my small tin of black house in an 8 oz jar, and I don't think that I could fit another tin in there, but maybe I am wrong. Now I also have 5lbs of PS-87, and I managed to pack all of that into four half-gallon ball jars, so that stuff is crammed in there pretty tightly.

    My intentions for the 4oz jars, which seemed close to the OPs, are to smoke these 4 oz'ers down rather than keep them in long-term storage. Only difference being that I was thinking that I should to buy a jar per half-tin so that the second half of the tin would not be exposed to repeated openings as I smoke the first half. Then I would open the second jar once the first one is finished.

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  24. pipesmokingtom

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    I was thinking that I should to buy a jar per half-tin so that the second half of the tin would not be exposed to repeated openings as I smoke the first half. Then I would open the second jar once the first one is finished

    Seems like sound reasoning if you have the jar space (and jars). Especially if you take a while to get through a tin.

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    Stopped by the store today and got some jars, including some 4 oz 'ers since I have some tobacco on the way. These things are so small! I still have not used them, but I had a pound of Red Cake and a pound of Larry's Blend arrive today, and since I plan on storing those for a while, I put them in 8 oz jars. I had about 14.5 oz of each after sifting out the fines, and was able to get 14.5 oz across three 16oz jars, pretty well compressed with just enough room for the whole compressed slug to barely slap against the lid if you "pack" bottom the jar after the lid is on. You can check my math, but that's ~ .3oz of tobacco per 1 oz of volume, juust a little under 1.5oz weight per 4oz of volume, so ok that's a smaller tin of ribbon or blended ribbon within 4 oz of volume, with a little packing room to spare probably. I also had 2oz of blending latakia show up, and that filled an 8oz jar to overflowing, and I had to press it down a little more than I wanted to, and I don't even think smashing it down would get all of that into a 4 oz 'er. So I guess it really depends a little bit on what type of tobacco you have, and how firmly you are willing to pack in in there, as to whether or not a tin will fit in the 4 oz 'er. I think that this 4oz size is going to be pretty versatile though.

    One thing that I have noticed with canning jars, lids and bands in general, is that you want to watch the prices when you buy. You should always be able to get these things cheaply, but some places will charge twice as much as the next guy for the glass or the accessories at least. I usually go to the local smaller hardware store and do ok there.

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    My experience (rule-of-thumb): 1/4 of the jar's volume, contingent on the cut & dryness of the tobacco
    Half-pint (8 oz volume) = 2 oz tobacco
    Pint (16 oz volume) = 4 oz tobacco
    Quart (32 oz volume) = 8 oz tobacco

    Wide mouth jars are easier to pack & remove tobacco.
    Canning funnels make filling any sized jar easier & less messy.

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    I never would have believed this - BUT

    A 50G / 1.75 OZ tin will fit perfectly into a 4 oz mason jar. A tin is compressed, the contents will fit with light compression. An espresso tamper is ideal. I would guess that the tobacco is not compressed any more than it was in the tin. It went in with very little effort, tamping lightly in a few layers. Hummm, a 3 layer pack with a light tamp... seems familiar somehow

    pipesomokingtom and phil67 are free to say 'I told you so!"

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    My experience (rule-of-thumb): 1/4 of the jar's volume, contingent on the cut & dryness of the tobacco
    Half-pint (8 oz volume) = 2 oz tobacco
    Pint (16 oz volume) = 4 oz tobacco
    Quart (32 oz volume) = 8 oz tobacco

    Wide mouth jars are easier to pack & remove tobacco.
    Canning funnels make


    That's the exact method I've been using. No sense in changing it up now and adding another size to the mix. From time to time I'll stuff 4 oz in an 8 oz jar, it's a tight fit but it works.

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    pipesomokingtom and phil67 are free to say 'I told you so!"

    I would never

    I will concede that the 1/4 of weight per ounce is better in a lot of ways, though. I just have a lot of blends and appreciate the space the jelly jars save.

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    Transferred some 1.5oz blends from 8oz to 4oz jars, mostly ribbon with some bigger pieces. The tobacco was also at a good moisture level, so it seemed to pack in without breaking up.

    I did learn that the regular-lidded jars don't stack as well as the 8oz+ wide-mouths do. I bought the diamond-sided 4oz ones though, perhaps the smooth-sided ones stack better if the bottom is slightly different. They (Ball or Kerr) do not seem to make a 4oz wide-mouth. I like them though, should prove to be useful.

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    I can put 2 oz of tobacco in 4 oz jar.
    I have to pack it in tight, but it fits.

    I put flake tobacco in the 8 oz jars, no bending required.

    I like 4 oz jars better than 8 oz ones because my tobacco ages longer.
    when I finally open a jar the aging process stops.
    that means the tobacco in the second 4 oz jar keeps percolating until you're ready to open it; a process that stops if that tobacco was in an 8 oz jar.

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    Storing and or aging tobacco in 8 oz ball jars is good. I find that opening and closing the 8 oz too often will make the last of the tobacco in the jar dry out. I think I will put the tobacco that I will be using two or three times a week in a 4 oz jars. Probably a little more of a pita... but might be well worth it. I had a few 8 oz jars with about 1" of tobacco left in them that dried out.

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    You must live in a very dry climate!

    I keep some of my ready tobaccos in bail top jars. Just went to see how many ounces and find it's a half liter! Make in Italy, FIDO is the name. Purloined from wife's stocks of jars.

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    I only buy now the wide mouth 8oz half pint jars. I do have some of the 4oz 1/4 pint jars but they are just too small.

    I have no problem with drying out of tobacco from 8oz half pint jars. I have a several of the 16oz pint jars but I very rarely use them except with large amounts of bulk tobacco and even then I take some out and put it in an 8oz jar to smoke out of.

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    I'm too lazy to wash them...and they seem clean from the store. With the screw top mason jars, I just fill and twist on the lid. I never bothered with putting them in water and boiling to get the cap top to suck down for a better seal...but maybe I should? The last twist lid jar I had over-twisted and stripped the thread (not with a ton of pressure either), so since then I get the bail top jars (with the hinges and latches that clamp). As far as stuffing in the tobacco, I push the tobacco down with my fingers while filling. Some of these other methods may work better, but so far this seems to work well enough for me.

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    I just use them as they come. I let them air out for a bit first to get the smell out.

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    No one understands fermentation well enough to prescribe how its aerobic and anaerobic phases benefit tobacco or in what in what proportions. The model for aging is not a jar but the tin, as that is how most aged tobacco reaches us. Whatever air was in that tin was exhausted a long time ago, and the tobacco has been aging anaerobically for most of it. In either mode tobacco ages just fine, and if a blind taste test were set up to judge which method had been used to age it is very doubtful that such distinction could be made.
    Thus methods to judge cramming and/or airspace are not to purpose.

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    I have some of each sized jar. I generally pack my jars pretty tight. I know that the fermentation will stop once the jar is opened and that is an argument against 32 ounce jars... but when you are jarring up 20lb it just makes it easier to get 'r done. Those jars aren't likely to be cracked open for a good 15 years at the rate I smoke. That will be plenty enough age for the whole thing.

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    Interesting thread.

    I have handled a LOT of canning jars, having grown up in a family who 'put up' food in jars and done so myself. I have NEVER seen a jar lid with stripped threads. Very odd.

    I use wide mouth jars when I can, but I do have some pint jars with normal lids. They are OK, but a little more difficult to fill. The jar filling funnel, as used in food prep, makes it easier though. My favorite for price and usefulness is the 4 ounce, wide mouth jar. I do have some 'special' 8 ounce ones though. They are square, wide mouth. They look good and stack well too.

    Here are the 8 ounce jars, the 'special' one on top.

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    "I like 4 oz jars better than 8 oz ones because my tobacco ages longer.
    when I finally open a jar the aging process stops.
    that means the tobacco in the second 4 oz jar keeps percolating until you're ready to open it; a process that stops if that tobacco was in an 8 oz jar."
    Exactly..............CURL........

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    I use two types of canning jars to store my tobacco in, The Ball Jam jars for flakes, I can stand the flakes up in the jars. and for Plug Tobacco and shag cut tobacco I use the Kerr half pint 8.oz jars with the wide mouth opening, they are easier for me to get my fingers in there and grab some tobacco as apposed to pouring some out of the skinny jars.
    I have yet to notice difference in the aging of the tobaccos in both types of jars.

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    Is it reasonable to believe someone can put 16oz of tobacco into one quart jar?

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    I use the quart jar for 16oz of tobacco. You have to push it down some to get it all in but they work great.

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    Tobacco is an organic substance that will degrade/age no what enclosure its in. Yes, compression is said to promote aging, but as the leaf is separated from the stalk, it will ferment in any case. Almost no one other outside a blending house that has such a press can in any way duplicate that press, so if you compress by hand the result is negligible.

    It is the rubber gasket that holds the aroma from the tobacco previously stored. A hot water soak can restore the sealing capacity of the gasket, and if I was washing jars I'd replace half of them on inspection. But toward the end I was thinking to replace all the gaskets. You can tell if the ring is tightening down properly you would think, but if the gasket is new you have more peace of mind.

    I think out of 300 jars I didn't wash more than a case or two. Yes, the factory had a process to sterilize them, but I didn't see them do it. There's a lot of hope riding on jarring tobacco, that one can arrest any fouling of the tobacco for whatever reason. I played it safe.

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    I have a question for anyone that might know. I have approximately a dozen 1 lbs jars stored. Three of my jars I thought had moisture in them. I opened them and it is actually hazy coating on the inside of the jar. Not sure if it's a jar issue, a tobacco issue, or normal. The jars have 7 Seas Royal, Sutliff 1M, and LL BCA in them.

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    Spartacus, is the hazy coating mould? When you wipe it with your finger what does it look like?

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    It's not mold. I just canned them about a week ago. If I wipe it with my finger the glass is clear. It is almost like the film a windshield gets on the inside after running the AC for awhile. It's a very light smokey tint with nothing left on your finger and no smell to it.

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    When I get new jars, I just wipe them out with a clean dish towel. Never had a problem and I've kept tobacco for more than ten years like that.

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    I will try running these through the dishwasher and see if that clears things up.

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    I agree jars come pretty clean, but I rinse them out from habit, as if I was putting food in them, then dry them thoroughly and let them air dry too. However, once I've used jars for tobacco, and they're empty, I'll just reuse them after wiping them out. Arguably not great (ghosting?) but never presents a problem.

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