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  1. piperl12

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    About a month ago I traded a local guy at our gun club an older 30-30 rifle. I had more rifles kicking around than I needed. Anyway he traded me for a Norinco 1911 in .45ACP I have owned lots of pistols but never a 1911 style. My tastes usually lean more toward H&K's and Walther's. I wanted this gun as a IPSIC pistol and as a project that I can cut my teeth on some simple gun smithing. I am looking for ideas on what do with it, what is the most important jobs first? I have already ordered new grips for it but not sure what next steps should be to make it more accurate, feed better ect. The Norinco is a great platform to begin with because it is made with excellent steel something that seems counter intuitive for Chinese guns. I already own one of there M4A1 replicas and it works amazingly well for under $600.00 I am nearly 30000 rounds fired with never a stove pipe, misfire or feed issue. My Colt AR15 cannot boast those types of results. So fire away gun nuts this is a winter project. I also hear they qualify me to do cowboy action range work given its calibre and action.

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    First thing I would do is look for a plug that can be pressed with a finger to turn the barrel bushing for disassembly. Maintenance is what you'll be doing most often so making disassembly possible without that stupid specialty tool would be essential for me. I hate that thing. After that replace the factory magazines. Wilson Combat are by far the most reliable in my opinion. After that just a tune up to make sure it's functioning well i.e. spring adjustments for reliable feed, no jams etc. After that it's just bells and whistles; it has the best natural point of aim of any handgun I have ever owned. I practice reflex shooting so sights aren't high on my list, but I might spring for night sights. Good luck to you.

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    Thanks teufelhund what's your thoughts on trigger work? It has little take up but doesn't break as sharply as my H&K P30 does. Love the way it feels in my hand though. So far it eats most everything I have thrown at it including the 500 rounds of ball ammo that came from Norinco.

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    Definitely need to get good mags, Wilson or McCromick. Then I might change out the whole spring set. I have seen Norincos that ran and ran, but I have heard of a few that had sub-par mainsprings, recoil springs, etc. Make sure the recoil spring is a 16lb (the standard) if you are doing normal shooting, 18 if you want extra punchy loads.

    I really like the Norincos, they are a good plain jane 1911 and can be the platform for a really great custom pistol.

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  5. teufelhund

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    All you need is a file to take down those factory stampings and that will smooth your pull and that's about as much as you can do besides skeletonize it, but it really doesn't remove a noticable amount of weight. Make sure you consult with a text or gunsmith (Plenty of videos on the internet about how to clean up all the factory stampings) so as not to damage your pistol. Other than that just keep it clean. The single action isn't really going to have the same definitive break as double action or two stage triggers on newer designs. Just practice and it'll become second nature.

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    I was training for IPSIC for three years was using a Glock 35 completely modded 40 S&W.

    All my mods were specific to two things trigger pull and recoil compensation.

    For trigger pull:

    Not to sure what's out there for 1911's but I'm sure there are plenty of trigger mods to lighten the pull on your trigger. You would want it to be between 1.5 to 2.5lbs due to the high caliber the idea is to re acquire your target easier by minimizing the movement of your trigger finger and pressure you apply on trigger while shooting.

    Recoil:

    Many ways going about doing this trigger job is one but the most important is your grip on the pistol you want to ensure your hand does not slip or slide on the grip causing you to lose sight of your target.

    Other adjustments can be porting your barrel but the can be costly due to all the custom work and you can't undo that work, this is why I would recommend a barrel attached compensator this will really reduce the muzzle lift on your pistol and it is easily removed when you don't want it.

    Sights:

    Same idea you can mount a micro dot with a little custom work but if you find you don't like it then your SOL.

    I would use a mounted weaver attachment that allows you to mount any sight to your liking and also can be easily removed to return to your iron sights.

    I hope that helped good luck with it it's a great hobby and lots of fun.

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    1911's are heavy, rugged, durable, easy aiming pieces of machinery. Mine is a Colt but many of the suggestions so far are quite good. The Wilson Mags are very nice and will make life easier for you. And smoothing out the stamping lines are the only trigger work I would suggest.

    Getting the specialty tool for teardown is a must as well. Even if you mod it, having that tool just makes life easier (if a tad awkward til you get the hang of it).

    Tearing it down, cleaning it, reassembly won't affect it at all. Well, other that like any tool, taking care of it and keeping it clean just makes life easier.

    And, just like tearing down and cleaning your pipes, you'll avoid the nasties and have a whole lot more fun with it.

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    I've shot several 1911's, owned a couple, and still do own one, and it's my humble opinion that the ones with polished feed ramps and barrel throats tend to feed smoother and more reliably. The mags have a lot to do with that as well, and some good brands have already been mentioned, but for me, I like stainless Colt 7 round factory mags.

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    Norks are great weapons. I've heard that many a gunsmith won't work on them because they are made out of recycled railroad tracks which is some of the hardest steel made. That being said I believe they are great 1911's shoot lots and enjoy.

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    You may want to look into these modifications:

    Full length guide rod and spring kit. I believe Wilson Combat makes these.

    Have an adjustable trigger installed by a gunsmith and ask for a trigger job to be done so the pull is a quarter pound or less. You want to be able to shoot rapidly during timed competitions.

    Have the ejection port widened. This will help lessen the stovepipe effect.

    If allowed in competition get extended capacity magazines with bumper pads on the bottom.

    You may also want to change the gun barrel if the rifling is not to your liking to achieve tighter shot groups.

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    Not familiar with Norks, mine was a Colt & never should have sold it
    Sights, Wilson mags, Beavertail, reliability work by a qualified gunsmith...then the rest of the $100's that you "have" to have.

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    I not familiar with Norinco, but I do like the 1911. I'm a Deputy Sheriff and the 1911 is what we are issued for our duty weapon. The best things I've done to help me is an extended beavertail with a bobbed hammer, an extended grip safety, "ergo" grips and of course Wilson Combat 8 round mags. Most of the parts I ordered are from Brownells. 1911's are a great pistol and 1,001 ways to make it to your own liking.

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    Thanks guys lots of great info! I am trying to take it all in and formulate a plan and do most of the work myself.

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    Another vote for the Wilson Combat magazines.

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    I've never done any modifications beyond grips, but one thing I really appreciated with my Kimber was that it came with a very well-checkered grip frame, especially on the front. To me, it makes a huge difference in control, especially with follow-up shots. It also came with a ramped mag well, which I discarded but may be a good idea for the style of shooting you're looking at. I know these are "bells and whistles" mods, but they may be something to think about. Everyone else seems to be spot on with the more important stuff.

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    I love Kimber 1911's I shot one at my range it was accurate right off the bat well balance too.

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    Also just a heads up; when polishing feed ramps and what not a 400 grit sand paper is recommended followed by a buff with some Flitz or other polish. A dremel with a buffing pad works well for this step. Exercise caution.

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    Start with quality mags and better than the stock plastic Norinco grips. After that shoot 1,000 more rounds and see how you like the trigger. Maybe consider just keeping it stock!!

    First mod should be some better sights than those small 3 dot sights. While you are breaking it in look around for a good 1911 smith to do a trigger job to your liking. A beaver tail grip safety is a big improvement and can prevent the hammer from biting your hand. If you don't already I suggest getting into reloading. 45acp is the easiest caliber to start with. You can install a flat checkered mainspring housing yourself and maybe some grip tape on the front grip area.

    You're gonna love that 1911. Don't let the "made in China" bother you. Norinco made a good product for $250 back before ole Willie from Hope banned their importation back in 1994. Where are the pics?!

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    I have a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special. I haven't had to do much in the way of modifying it, as it came pretty perfect from the factory. I did, however, put in a full length stainless steel guide rod and spring, and also a pair of VZ Grips (a thinnish pair) that make the grip feel perfect for my hand.

    I shoot IDPA with it regularly. I've shot somewhere around 5K rounds through it, with zero FTF or FTE events. I shoot a combination of factory and hand loads.

    I also am a big fan of Wilson mags.

    I ordered mine custom with no roll marks on the slide. I absolutely love the gun. If I were to do it over again, I would also have ordered it w/o the serrations on the front of the slide. I never do press checks that way, and I think it would have an even cleaner look without the front serrations.

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    No offense meant but it seems like beginner gunsmithing is a dangerous hobby and will potentially fuck up your weapon beyond repair. The "dangerous" part is more important though. That said, I understand that may be why you got the gun. There are easier mods to put your toe in the water like grips, fitting a new bushing, guide rods etc i.e. things that don't involve a whole lot of skill. I am not a gunsmith myself at all. However my 1911 Gold Cup has had all the mods done to it by a pro. And believe me there are plenty of 'pros' who mess up guns. Drop in parts seldom do. First thing you should do is join the 1911 forum. http://forums.1911forum.com/index.php There are tons of pros,amateurs,great information and stickys on every conceivable topic. While many of the mods discussed here might make a better gun for you (or might not) most of them should be done by a pro or perhaps as a project if you were taking a gunsmithing class. Not a good idea to underestimate the skill required to make it all go bang every time and accurately. Hard to put back metal you took off. ALL that said, I love 1911's and welcome to your new addiction. The amazing gun that was designed by a genius (John Browning) over 100 years ago and is unarguably one of the best guns ever created.

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  21. piperl12

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    Thanks Matt, I appreciate the concern and I know it comes from a good place. When I say new to gun smithing I should qualify that. I am a Certified Engineering Technologist with a background in precision machining for automotive and aerospace as well as being an ex-paratrooper in the Canadian Military. I just haven't started doing an armouring although some of my military buddies are very experienced.

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  22. irish

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    Piper in my opinion, which is not worth much, but it all depends on what you are going to do with the 1911? If you are going to use it for protection and a carry gun, for now just change the grips and put at least a 1000 rounds through it. The point of aim will probably change a little after the weapon "seats in". Then decide on a good set of snag free night sites. Your trigger should be good to go by this time and you can make a decision on it then based on some good intel. About the only thing I change on a combat 1911 is the grip safety and extended beavertail, as well as a good commander style hammer, night sites and quality magizines and shoot the crap out of it till it becomes a part of you. If you are going to just shoot for competition and fun , then go nuts on it. There are more bell and whistles for the 1911 than there are Pipes!! I own five right now , everything from a full blown race gun with a weigand site system to a bone stock WW II service weapon and everything in between. It all comes down to what you want to do with it, for carry and protection it is all about reliability, you need to make sure it will function at the most inoppurtune time. In competition and fun you get a second chance , but when it is your life on the line or your family's safety, you don't!! Just my two cents!! Good luck !

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