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1-Q. vs Captain Black Royal

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    Ok so I have read its been confirmed by a Lane Limited rep that 1Q is CBR without preservitives. I have also read that Captian Black regular, royal and lite are natural and one of only a handful of tobaccos that have no chemical additives. Soooo, what do they use as a preservitive in the capitain black label tobaccos?

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    I am skeptical, to the point disbelief, that any of the CB blends are free of chemicals. I think you have been misled.

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    Most likely just plain old polypropylene glycol (PPG).

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    IMO Captain Black is topped with propylene glycol (PG). PG is a common synthetic food additive also used in a wide gamut of products from margarine to alcoholic beverages.

    I think many if not most OTC pipe tobaccos contain PG, it's just some use more than others.

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    This is where I read that it was chem free.
    http://www.yourtobaccosstore.com/9-Captain-Black
    I'm pretty sure I have seen it somewhere else, regardless, like the commercial states "they can't put anything on the Internet if its not true" lol

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    Not to be rude, my friend, but thet description on that site is not worth a damn.

    There is definitely propylene glycol and artificial sweeteners along with artificial flavours in Captain Black AND the Lane equivalents. (There is not really that much difference between them)

    All pipe tobacco is heavily processed, but that is why it is so palatable compared to other forms of tobacco.

    These aromatics, however, are bigger offenders than many Virginia, Burley, or "English" blends on the market. These tobaccos tend to be much more subtle and they are more likely to use natural ingredients. (Such as liquorice or molasses) Still, there is likely some sort of humectant or antifungal in every single brand on the market, and they do not grow these on trees I assure you!

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    Simenon +1

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    That web site describes CB as "one of the best tobaccos ever made." so I'm a little beyond 'skeptical'.

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    CB was my first tobacco, and was almost my last if you must have a over the counter tobacco MacBaren Vanilla Cream takes the win for me.

    i havent tried Lane 1Q yet but its on route i truly hope that it doesnt taste like CB royal cause that stuff was horrid to me.


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    In my opinion I think 1Q is quite good and CB to a goopey mess. I personally wouldn't compare the 2. They may taste similar but certainly don't smoke similar to me.

    Smokey if you want to try some let me know and we can make some kind of swap. I've got maybe a pound of the stuff. It's a great all day smoke.


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    Fitzy that's very kind of you to offer however I've already made a trade on here with another member for some besides. if I find that like it and want more ill keep you in mind and we can make a trade in the near future hopefully I may have something the interests you.

    Thank you kindly

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    Guys, I am seriously blown away by people saying that the Lane blends are nothing like the Captain Black blends...

    I allow that we all have taste differences but there are serious similarities going on - dare I say, obvious likenesses!

    RLP-6 and CBW are so close it is not even funny. The bulk may have a slightly different cut (I can't recall) and the flavour may be a smidgen lighter (80% flavouring instead of 90%) but it is fundamentally the same stuff to my tastes.

    I am not knocking anybody for their choices but to me I don't see why you would keep both in your rotation. Maybe there is something I am not sensing?

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    Well, CB was one of my first tobaccos and I remember thinking, as I smoked it, "Is this it? Is this the whole of it?". I'm glad the answer to that self-imposed question was "No, not even close", but at the time, if I hadn't already spent about $20 on a pipe and a bunch of tobacco I'd probably have called it a day and gone back to Red Man (still love chaw, always will, but don't use it because it's just so nasty).

    As for the 1Q...I've smoked CB Royal, but don't remember it. Tried 1Q once, it disgusted me (after I'd already bought 3 pounds of it) and I gave it all away to my idiot brother who smokes anything that will burn and smell pretty. Which brings me to the point of my post here:

    I ran onto a(nother) single 1/2 pint jar of 1Q that is probably from 07, maybe early 08. Last one I found (much bigger jar), I dumped just to reclaim the jar, not considering that someone might actually want some aged 1Q.

    So, my point, if one of you guys wants it, you're welcome to it.

    Simenon, you seem to know quite a bit about it so I'm guessing you enjoy the blend. Interested?

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    Thanks Mike, very generous but I gratefully decline.

    I don't really like the stuff - I was mostly expressing my surprise that people see so many differences between what I determine to be nearly identical blends.

    I cut my teeth with CBW but after a couple of pouches I moved on and never looked back.

    Recently, though, I tried RLP-6 as I got a little nostalgic about that vanilla/marshmellow smell, but when I began to smoke it I had no desire to even finish the bowl. It was just too light for me - I will never buy either again.

    I don't really care about the "aroma" aspect of aromatics - I am looking for stronger tastes than that.

    Same thing with the codger burleys - despite a brief flirtation, I never really took a liking to them. They are nice enough but they are not special enough for me to justify smoking them when I go for that daily bowl...

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    I will never buy either again

    I'm right there with ya on that. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're used to, but I've only run onto a couple of American style aromatics that I could appreciate, none that I'd miss if they disappeared from existence.

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    After years of smoking Green Sail mixed with 4 square curlies, I stopped smoking for about 20 years. I came back about 5 years ago and couldn't get either brand, so I experimented. At the moment, 1q is my go-to tobacco -- if anyone wants to trade to Canada, I'm happy to oblige! I've a collection of various aromatics and could exchange a complete list in PM.

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    Dallas, no need for a trade, I just didn't want to toss it if there was someone interested in an aged 1Q. Might not be any difference from fresh, I have no idea, but the quantity isn't worth pranking with unless you're interested in finding out. Also, I said this is '07 or '08, but thinking back, I believe now that it's much older, possibly from as early as '99 or 2000, I just don't remember when I bought it for sure. I know the jar it's in is at least 17 years old, but I can't remember when I was conned into buying those 3 pounds of 1Q...I know I hadn't smoked aromatics in awhile when I bought it, but I haven't had much to do with aromatics since about 93 or so. My best guess is that I bought it before '02, but after '98.

    The stuff in the jar isn't wet and goopy at all, and actually smells very nice, but not overpowering. I could smoke a bowl and tell you my thoughts, but have absolutely nothing but memory to compare it with.

    Anyway, I don't mind sending it if you want it, just let me know via pm.

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    Guys, I am seriously blown away by people saying that the Lane blends are nothing like the Captain Black blends...

    I agree with you 100%. I mentioned once to a member on another pipe forum that 1Q and CB Royal were so close in taste and appearance that I would not be surprised if 1Q was really just CB Royal in bulk form. I also mentioned that, imo, if someone swapped out their bowl of 1Q with a bowl of CB Royal, most would never know. I received a very, VERY angry PM from said member attacking not only my taste in tobaccos but my sexuality and ended with the entertaining assertion that I was just a "poser" and should leave the pipe to "real" pipe smokers.

    The funny thing is, I don't think he was necessarily angry over my comparing 1Q to Royal, but rather, the idea that he would ever smoke CB Royal and potentially wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Some people I think are just too hung up on the "OTCs are crap" mentality. Like society would shun them if they were ever caught smoking one.

    By the way, the same member posted a thread defending pipes made of brylon stating that his Yellow-Bole was his best smoker...two weeks later he posted another thread asserting that he would never smoke a pipe that cost less than $400 and anybody that did was wasting their money.

    Some peoples children...

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    I have smoked both 1Q and CBR and I found no difference between them. I tried RLP-6 and found it was the same as CBW. Same tast and same appearance maby a little lighter on PG but the IQ and RLP-6 had some PG. I am not knocking them, I enjoy a bowl of CBW or CBR when I have a taste for a sweet bowl, but I have had people who smoke 1-Q really look or talk down their nose at me when they found out that I smoked CBR. It gave me a good laugh. I just let them think what they wish.

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    There are tobacco snobs, just like there are wine snobs. Frankly, I wish I just loved CB. It's cheap and everywhere. The white package isn't that bad, but it ain't that great either.

    Juvat, isn't that an F16 Vstab you're parked up against?

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    No doubt, both are very similar, but my take is that 1Q is not as heavily cased and is made with somewhat better tobaccos than Captain Black.

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    Juvat, isn't that an F16 Vstab you're parked up against?

    It is!

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    I know this thread is a little older... but I just happened on this discovery as well. Captain Black Royal seemed identical though perhaps more sticky to Lane Limited 1-Q...

    and then I noticed something that doesnt seem to be mentioned on this thread....
    The Captain Black Royal (blue) I have in front of me has "LANE LIMITED" prominently displayed on the label....

    I found that the Scandinavian Tobacco Group (parent company for Lane and Captain Black) actually describes Lane Bulk RLP-6 to Captain Black White

    http://www.stglanepipe.com/

    just some stuff to confirm the connection...

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    I'm in PG camp for the OTC difference.

    As for 1Q being the same thing as CBR without the preservatives. I don't believe it.
    To my mind CBW is closer.
    One other aspect that hasn't been mentioned yet is the two don't even remotely resemble each other in appearance/cut.
    1Q is a thin ribbon cut, CBR isn't.

    1Q while not earth shattering in it's complexity or taste it definitely is an excellent 'go-to/walking around' smoke... CBR not so much.

    That's just my opinion.


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    That web site describes CB as "one of the best tobaccos ever made." so I'm a little beyond 'skeptical'.

    I just spewed sassafras tea on my keyboard. That line "one of the best tobaccos ever made", written in actual print by a tobacco shop....that should be an automatic disqualifier for tobacco sales. Needs to be changed to "One of the most sold in the US".

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    I just re-read the web page...

    The obtain it's aroma...

    Not a ringing endorsement.

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    I smoke 1Q a few times a week, and I dont agree Lawrence, I do agree about the cut tho, similar apearance but not exact. But flavor wise I believe CBR is a dead ringer for 1Q. I dont like it for the goopyness, and here it costs more than 1Q, but I've smoked it i a pinch

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    I'm actually looking at my CB Royal and my Lane 1Q and they are pretty much identical in aroma, cut, ribbon width, etc: thin ribbon and rough cut black.

    Not the best pic, but this is what I am looking at.

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    Go to 4noggins website, all their tobaccos are amazingly identical in appearance too, right down to how each individual cut leaf is placed for the camera

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    Its hard to see in the picture I took, but both have thin ribbon cuts about 1.2mm in width. The black leaves are rough cut in odd shapes but both have roughly the same range of size and shape.

    In fact as both piles sit in front of me on my lunch napkin, I'm beginning to forget which was which....

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    I dont like it for the goopyness

    That maybe the reason for my perceived differences in appearance.
    I have smoked CBR many times in the past, but only because CBW wasn't available.
    As for the "dead ringer" in taste... not to my mind.... for me it's probably the PG.

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    Here is a more detailed photo of Lane Limted 1Q next to Captain Black Royal, that I have in front of me as I type:

    I kind of wonder if Lane is the bulk, and Captain Black is the slightly repacked and perhaps preserved mainstream market brand. Much like an Intel i7, i5, and i3 are actually the same processors except that the i5 is crippled to a degree, and i3 crippled even more. i5 and i3 are sold as lower performance processors because it gives something in marketing by which to compare and boost sales of the higher performance (non-crippled) product: the i7. This was the marketing concept behind the celeron.

    I can definitely see marketing creating an attitude in favor of the superior lane product while offering a "lower grade" for average users, despite the product being virtually identical, especially given the fact that the two are produced by the same manufacturer.

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    Oh and I would guess the PG in the CBR is the main difference aside from packaging, because the Captain black while identical in cut and aroma does seem to be slightly goopier, which would make sense for a product intended to sit on shelves where less care might be given to them.

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