Ten Years of Banned Smoking in England

[seacaptain]

The problems it has are primarily due to under-funding by the Tory government

The socialist solution to everything. Spend more of other people's money. It's funny though how it's never enough no matter how much is spent.

 

[perdurabo]

Warren, you said Illegals. That makes you A Nazi White Supremacist. Now the thread will be squashed. Thanks for politicizing it. :|

That's is true though, a minority does pay for that free healthcare. I think their called The Evil 1%, If I'm not mistaken.
American Constitution and its roots? The Enlightment and the King of England.
As for the poor dying, Propaganda.

 

[perdurabo]

And drum roll......Sable might have been onto something. That old man is wise in his Old Age. I think he should change his name from Sablebrush52 to Gandalf.

 

[lazar]

The socialist solution to everything. Spend more of other people's money. It's funny though how it's never enough no matter how much is spent.

It's not about spending more of other people's money, it's about incompetence and mis-spending *our* money that we already pay wisely. It's never enough for the Pentagon either, and I rarely hear people complain about their hard-earned tax money going to more and more nuclear weapons, fighting in bullshit regime-change wars, etc.
Curious, perdurabo, when exactly you think this thread went downhill and crossed the "no politics" line, and if you are claiming innocence in that regard.
I will also add that I pay my taxes and always have in whatever country I've lived in. I'd much rather healthcare and social security in return instead of arms, eternal war, corporate welfare, and threats to take away the "entitlements" that I actually paid into my entire life. You don't want to be a forced charity service for the poor, and I don't want to be one for the governments and big businesses.

 

[seacaptain]

I rarely hear people complain about their hard-earned tax money going to more and more nuclear weapons, fighting in bullshit regime-change wars, etc.

I'd love to see cuts in wasteful military spending and zero money for corporations. However, it's still an immoral, corrupt system that uses the force of government to take money/resources from some people and redistribute to others. Like I said earlier in the thread, for some reason, a large part of the population derives some backward sense of moral satisfaction using government force to take from their fellow citizens.

 

[seacaptain]

it's about incompetence and mis-spending *our* money that we already pay wisely

And there's the problem with socialism, everything is "ours" with no respect for individual rights, including property rights.

 

[brian64]

It's funny though how it's never enough no matter how much is spent.

God only knows where all the money really goes (actually I'm not sure even He knows). How is it possible for TRILLIONS to be "missing" and no one is ever held accountable?

$21 Trillion Missing
Investment advisor and former Assistant Secretary of Housing Catherine Austin Fitts says you can add $21 trillion of missing federal money on top of the $20 trillion U.S. deficit. It’s all in a new explosive report on Solari.com. Fitts explains, “This is $65,000 for every man, woman and child resident in America. In addition, it is now more than the outstanding official debt on the U.S. balance sheet. . . . We know that the U.S. government has been run like a criminal enterprise from a financial standpoint.”
https://usawatchdog.com/21-trillion-missing-u-s-government-a-criminal-enterprise-catherine-austin-fitts/

 

[warren]

The Federal Government is charged with protecting the country. So defense spending is acceptable in my book. It is not charged with educating the masses. Nor is it a Constitutional requirement that all are to be provided with health care. The Federal Government would be much better off if it simply stuck with the powers it is charged with.
One needs to remember, the US was founded because of how certain minorities were treated in various European countries. Americans are fundamentally different than Europeans. This is why Americans are fundamentally and philosophically different from Europeans. The USA was founded by people fleeing England, Germany, Italy, etc. We have no national religion, no centralized government (at least as far as the Constitution is concerned, the reality being somewhat different), no history of hereditary rulers, no peers sitting unelected in government, we do not stifle speech as European governments do, and list goes on. We are less like our European cousins than we are similar. There are no comparisons to draw, Americans are distinctly and fundamentally different than Europeans. We fought a couple of wars to distance ourselves from European society and rigidity with regards to governing styles, life styles, and social castes.
Too many people on both sides of the Atlantic seem to think we are very much alike. The differences are stark indeed and should be acknowledged when making comparisons.
Edit: War is the natural state of humankind. Good, bad, or indifferent it just is.

 

[perdurabo]

Great Question Lazar. I don't believe I claimed Democrats/Progressive/Marxist to be Whiny, selfish, or hypocrites. I've stuck with the subject of taxes, regulations, and philosophy. Not claiming anyone to be wrong or right. Always adding a little perspective to the conversation. So innocence, I can be. If someone wants to dispute that, that's fine too. I think the evidence is in the pudding, the thread is alive. 98% of us have been cordial, and for the most part respectful. Obviously we disagree with one another but I don't see where we have drug each other through the dirt. But there is always a chance that it will go south and we will all be banned, the thread squashed, and the rest of the community will laugh about it. In fact, I'm sure many have made multiple bags of popcorn.

 

[perdurabo]

The biggest (Crucial) difference between The US and the rest of the world is that Our Rights are not granted by the government. We are born with certain unalienable rights and there is no debate to be made about it. None.

 

[olkofri]

The US isn't the only one, Perdurabo, with that outlook. It stems from English common law, and it used to be the de facto outlook for countries settled by England. The opposite is the French from-the-top-down system. Unfortunately, as the left gains share of government 'real estate' the French system starts replacing the old English common law. We've seen that in Canada.

 

[perdurabo]

I'm not to sure that the Magna Carta included unalienable rights as being self evident. Or for that matter in the laws that make up the body politic. But individual rights are proclaimed. Proclaimed and therefore granted by government.

 

[perdurabo]

To clarify Olkofri, I should have said as founded our rights are not granted by government etc etc...

 

[lazar]

The Federal Government is charged with protecting the country. So defense spending is acceptable in my book. It is not charged with educating the masses. Nor is it a Constitutional requirement that all are to be provided with health care. The Federal Government would be much better off if it simply stuck with the powers it is charged with.
One needs to remember, the US was founded because of how certain minorities were treated in various European countries.

So what we would end up with on your model is a militaristic society of unhealthy idiots. :rofl: Education is a huge part of this country's problem, and it's incredibly sad how far down it slid compared to other countries. And the problem with giving the government unlimited money for military spending in order to "protect" the country is that they rarely actually use it legitimately for those purposes. Their actions can have the opposite effect of making us less safe.
True about the founding of the US, which makes it all the more tragic that it was then built on the genocide and exploitation of other minorities. But hey Darwin, right deathmetal? :roll:

 

[perdurabo]

Lazar you're right about exploitation. We agree 100%. Hollywood and the Left have told us how we abuse and exploit women and minorities. And they are also 100% right. The only catch is that Hollywood has been exploiting them the whole time.

 

[perdurabo]

As far as Genocide? I don't know. I guess your talking about Natives. With a little research you'll find that the Natives were well on their way to doing that to them selves in some cases.

 

[ssjones]

This probably should have been closed a week ago. Please continue this discussion on Reddit, Facebook, anywhere but here.