Sasieni Help Please

[briarblues]

Good Day All
This large Sasieni has arrived at my door from a client to sell. The owner says it is pre 1946, however, I don't think it's that old. I am far from an expert on British pipes. To my eye the dots are not correct for the era.
http://www.briarblues.com/27.htm
The word Sasieni is in script, but there is no fish tail flourish. I am sure it's pre 1979 ( family era ) but beyond that I'm lost.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards

Michael J. Glukler

 

[ssjones]

That one appears to be from the '46-'79 era to my eye (by the logo and stem dots). I can't see the rest of the nomenclature clearly enough. I'm sure Dave G will comment, he has the best British eyes here!

 

[briarblues]

HI Al
Thanks. Those are my thoughts as well.
The nomenclature is as in the description. Bock letter ( upper case ) etc. I'll try and get a better photo this evening.
Regards

Michael J. Glukler

 

[sablebrush52]

Hi Mike,
The pipe is definitely 1946 or later. That's when this script logo was put into use. If it has a patent number, the pipe is 1946 - 1950. There are other ways to refine the era based on the nature and order of the stampings.
You're correct about the dots. The older Sasieni dot arrangement was an elongated diamond with three dots roughly equidistant and the fourth farther off to the right. They were also smaller dots.

 

[briarblues]

Hi Jesse
Thanks. That is what I thought as well. Just re looked at the pipe and found an upper case J about an inch to the right and bellow the ENGLAND stamp.
Regards

Michael J. Glukler

 

[dmcmtk]

Interesting pipe Mike, if I had to guess, I'd say from the period 1979-86. Looks like a King Size Viscount Lascelles (shape 56).



"Alfred Sasieni continued to run the company prosperously until 1979, when he sold out to another firm. Interestingly, he stayed on in the capacity of a director. At first it seems to have been a harmonious partnership. The new owners of what can accurately be called the “Transition” firm continued to create high quality pipes using the old wood and methods they inherited from the Alfred days.
When the company was sold in 1979, one of the first things the new owners did was to eliminate the town names from the shanks. The dots were enlarged yet further, and the Sasieni name, though still done in script, was larger, as was the rest of the shank nomenclature, which in all other ways was similar to the Pre-Transition nomenclature. While these pipes are not as collectible as the family made pipes, they were made with care and are high quality."
My edit from,
https://pipedia.org/wiki/Sasieni
:wink:

 

[briarblues]

Thanks. I have added two photos of the nomenclature. Hopefully that will shed some light.
Regards

Michael J. Glukler

 

[ssjones]

It sure looks like a Viscount Lascelles

 

[dmcmtk]

I have added two photos of the nomenclature. Hopefully that will shed some light.

I'm going to stick with my original answer. :puffpipe:

 

[sablebrush52]

Hi Mike,
I can't read the nomenclature very clearly on any of the shots, so I'll leave it at this. With no patent I'd put it at between 1950 and 1987 based on what nomenclature I can make out. I've seen larger and more closely spaced dots on some of these Sasienis than what I'm seeing here, but so what? Stems get remade, and sometimes incorrectly. Just means I can't offer a more defined answer, based on the photos.

 

[codecreatively]

Might need to hit refresh, check the bottom two photos Sable =)

 

[ssjones]

Ah,this makes me think Jesse and Dave are correct. '79 or earlier would still be the football shape COM.

 

[ssjones]

I need to stop reading on my phone....Dave seems correct at '79 to '87.

 

[dmcmtk]

'79 or earlier would still be the football shape COM.

This is definitely part of my thinking. Look at this pipe, which is also I believe, from the same period; an Ashford Four Dot Natural marked only with the shape number, and also without the family era COM.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Sasieni-Natural-Four-Dot-88-Ashford-Author-Pipe/152661559550?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D899fe63ad13948169d7022ef7f946716%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D192274676211&_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985
Going by the size of the dots versus the Ashford's, I'd say Mike's pipe is from closer to 1979, than to 1986.
Having said all that...I could be completely wrong...
I like the Nording 14 on the update! :wink: