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pcr1

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Had my first try of Presbyterian today... Oh by, did I just make a friend, what a great multi-layered smoke.

 

frozenchurchwarden

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It's my favorite English blend that's not also aromatic or a VaPer (Frog Morton's Cellar or Mississippi River).

The smoke seems to be on the gentle side, which I appreciate.

 

cosmicfolklore

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One of my favorite Oriental blends. Good stuff. You might also like Early Morning Pipe, Dan's Midnight Rider, or John Cotton 1&2, which is to be released very soon. But, none have that cedar-y, woodsy notes that Presbyterian has.

 

tarheel1

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Can it really be considered an English blend without Latakia? From what I understand there are orientals but no latakia. It has been a decade since I have had any and it is on my list to eventually get again.

 

cosmicfolklore

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It has a smidge of latakia in it. Latakia is considered an oriental. It is an English when the latakia steps forward, but when it takes a backseat to the other orientals, it's an Oriental blend or some might say a Balkan. But, talking like this might start an argument, ha ha.

 

tarheel1

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Maybe it does. I cant remember where I read and heard it did not contain Latakia. I remember I enjoyed it back when I had it around 2005. I have been looking forward to getting hold of some again and eventually will.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Latakia is not listed specifically, but it is just stated to be Oriental, which when you strike match to it, you will be able to tell that latakia is one of the orientals.

 

lochinvar

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Just had two bowls back to back watching Foyle's War last night. It always listed latakia leaf tips as an ingredient, and I've founf latakia in it, but it never comes through on the palette. I love Presbyterian, it's right up there with my beloved McConnell Oriental and Red Rapparee. It's a smooth, sophisticated blend, great during quiet moments. What always catches me off guard is the nose when opening the tin. It smells like blueberries to me (though of course there is no berry flavoring to it), more so than even some berry mixtures I have smelled. There are only five blends I cellar in depth, and Presbyterian is one.

 

simong

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One of my top 3 blends sublime stuff, if you get an aged tin of 5 years or so even better still.

 

mortonbriar

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Yes, it was love at first puff for me too, another blend that I reach for when feeling like something in that kind of range is pease's westminster.
Isaac

 

michaelmirza

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tarheel1, though most English blends these days have latakia, my understanding is that the original meaning of the term "English" paid homage to the fact flavor additives were not allowed in tobacco in England for a time. If that's true than the root of the category is anything that isn't aromatic. Of course, that's a very wide range that would include things never thought of to be English by today's standards (VA, burley, etc.). Just a thought.

 

andrew

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tarheel1, though most English blends these days have latakia, my understanding is that the original meaning of the term "English" paid homage to the fact flavor additives were not allowed in tobacco in England for a time. If that's true than the root of the category is anything that isn't aromatic. Of course, that's a very wide range that would include things never thought of to be English by today's standards (VA, burley, etc.). Just a thought.
English blends do not have to contain latakia, latakia blends contain latakia. To further complicate it the original aromatics were blends that used orientals.

 

andrew

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tarheel1, though most English blends these days have latakia, my understanding is that the original meaning of the term "English" paid homage to the fact flavor additives were not allowed in tobacco in England for a time. If that's true than the root of the category is anything that isn't aromatic. Of course, that's a very wide range that would include things never thought of to be English by today's standards (VA, burley, etc.). Just a thought.
English blends do not have to contain latakia, latakia blends contain latakia. To further complicate it the original aromatics were blends that used orientals.

 
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