Is this Mold on Kendall Plug?
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We also had a guy on this forum send some plumed tobacco to his son or someone who did a lab analysis of it, and said that it was minerals. I have also seen someone post some lab results saying that it was sugars.
I am just suspicious of any forum lab tests being done and posted, period. People get hung up over supporting their theories. And, we cannot verify the lab, nor the results. And, there are things like how broad was the sample of the tobaccos taken that were tested? How many different labs participated in the analysis? With there being thousands of different tobaccos, and potentially multiple causes for the plum or mold, you'd need hundreds of samples to get semi-reliable, verifiable results.
Cosmic, I am no scientist. You can read the thread re cigars and decide for yourself:
https://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/topic/131757-foh-mould-study/
https://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/topic/131757-foh-mould-study/
I have seen it, and read through it.
So, this puts you off any tobaccos found with plume or bloom on it in your cellar?
So, this puts you off any tobaccos found with plume or bloom on it in your cellar?
Nope, doesn't put me off it at all. Just makes me a bit of a skeptic, that's all, but I'm not anal about it. I also think that pipe tobacco may be a bit different because almost all pipe tobacco is topped, and any residual sugar in the topping might well crystalize into a white substance as the tobacco ages. Aged stonehaven often has a white residue on it, but it is not fuzzy in any way and my suspicion is that it is just the remnants of the treacle that is used to top SH. In any event, whatever it is, it doesn't taste or smell funny, and therefore I have no issue smoking it.
That link to the cigars was interesting. It all looked like obvious mould to me and I was surprised there was any other offered explanation for it. I wouldn't smoke any of those cigars. They're mouldy!
In aged pipe tobacco, I've only ever considered the presence of crystallized sugars as being what people thought of as "good" or as a visual indicator of well aged tobacco... primarily in flakes.
Frankly, I had no idea that people also considered a blanket of white or other colour of fuzz/haze/fog/whatnot (or anything other than an obvious crystalline -sugar- presence) as a potential positive thing. To me, it was always mould.
How could anything not sugar like in appearance (glinting like crystals, which to my eye, most moulds do not share this property) not be some kind of mould?
What do people think it is?
I mean, other than some kind of unspecific "plume" or "bloom," which obviously, doesn't say much. I simply never looked up the word plume. Mould, being not dissimilar to a feather like substance makes a hell of a lot of sense now. I just figured you were all yammering on about sugar crystals whenever those words got tossed around!
In aged pipe tobacco, I've only ever considered the presence of crystallized sugars as being what people thought of as "good" or as a visual indicator of well aged tobacco... primarily in flakes.
Frankly, I had no idea that people also considered a blanket of white or other colour of fuzz/haze/fog/whatnot (or anything other than an obvious crystalline -sugar- presence) as a potential positive thing. To me, it was always mould.
How could anything not sugar like in appearance (glinting like crystals, which to my eye, most moulds do not share this property) not be some kind of mould?
What do people think it is?
I mean, other than some kind of unspecific "plume" or "bloom," which obviously, doesn't say much. I simply never looked up the word plume. Mould, being not dissimilar to a feather like substance makes a hell of a lot of sense now. I just figured you were all yammering on about sugar crystals whenever those words got tossed around!
That's good, because plume is the shape of a dispersion. Bloom is the correct word for those crystalline structures.
Oh, and yammer we do.
Usually it's pretty clear whether or not it's mold or bloom. Like in this case. If not it usually reveals itself more clearly over a short period of time. Bloom doesn't mean much to me. I've had a lot of bloom covered flakes that weren't particularly exciting.
+1 erhardt, I have never sensed anything remarkable about bloom/plume. It doesn’t neccesarily taste sweeter, and really tastes the same as regular old aged tobacco, sometimes better than fresh, sometimes not. Nothing to get excited about.
I suspect most people breath in way more mold spores each day than you'd ever get from smoking that tobacco. Unless it smells bad, I wouldn't have any problem smoking it. If it tastes good, I'd smoke it all. I'm sucking 6 to 8 bowls of smoke into my body each day, I'm not too concerned about some incinerated mold spores. But that's just me.
Maybe mold spores do something to you, like some other gross things... like maybe licking toads. The first guy to look at a frog and wonder what it would be like to lick it, doesn't bother me. It's the guy who did it, and told his friends, "you gotta try this!" That's the guy that has an interesting story. :
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Many people eat Frog's Legs though and enjoy them. They're cooked first. As are alleged mold spores on tobacco.
I love frog legs. I also love chicken legs, but I have yet to have the urge to lick a chicken either, ha ha.
If 170F is the temperature that kills mold, most tobacco never get heated that high. At least most of the tobacco types that I prefer never get heated that high.
If 170F is the temperature that kills mold, most tobacco never get heated that high. At least most of the tobacco types that I prefer never get heated that high.
Its mold. Cut some of it off and smoke it
That's what I did with my Cajun kake and it was fine. Its mold mold mold. Anfew years ago it was considered sugar lol until that was pretty much debunked. Its mold.
That's what I did with my Cajun kake and it was fine. Its mold mold mold. Anfew years ago it was considered sugar lol until that was pretty much debunked. Its mold.
I am curious. You believe that a bunch of cigars, having reported to be mold, overrides several posts on here with lab results that say it is a mineral? Are cigar forums more trustworthy? Is everything about cigars thusly apply to pipe tobacco? I just want to make sure I sheepishly follow the herd on this. I'd hate to be caught thinking or anything. :
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Having read that entire thread and all of the results which allegedly debunked this, I am not convinced. Did they find that all tobacco has some mold on it, generally yes. Did they show that there are no mineral deposits, no. They tested for what they wanted to find and found it. But there was no mass spec result shown for the minerals that were also likely present. An analogy, if I am convinced that there is green dye in my beverage, I can spill it on my white shirt to show you how green it dyes my shirt. I have not, however, proven that this means there is no sugar in that drink. Just my humble opinion.
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