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martiniman

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Just got a Kirsten from eBay and i cannot take it apart short of the bowl.

Stem is 1 solid piece. I did the oxi bath, what now?

anything available short of vicegrips?

 

jchaplick

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I dont know about kirsten pipes, but I didnt think you were supposed to take them apart, not sure though

 

tbradsim1

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I would put it the fridge for a while, take out, let it thaw a bit, then take a hair dryer and hit it, cold and heat equals expansion, I believe that will work without harming the pipe. Tbradsim the old cajun That is if the pipe can be taken apart.

 

jvandy77

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Apr 1, 2012
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You may be able to just heat the pipe up by smoking it, and then try to remove the stem. Heat usually causes the stem material to shrink a little. I'm not an expert, but it seems to work for me. Good Luck!
-Jim

 

pstlpkr

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Freeze a frozen stem.

Stick it in the freezer for a little while then you should be able to remove the stem... if it's designed to come apart.

The briar and the ebonite having different properties will allow one to remove the stem when cold.

 

docrx

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One problem with Kirsten's is that over the years they have different couplings and parts and finding the right part you may need is therefore difficult. Dave Whitney's book on old briar's covers Kirsten's extensively and is available on e bay for 12 bucks or as an e book on Amazon for 8 bucks or so. If your into Kirsten's or own one it is a must read IMO.

 

martiniman

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Thanks, maybe i wasn't clear.
This is one of those aluminum Kirsten pipes with removable bowls. 1940's i think.
I have a 2" bit, 4 inch stem with a threaded cap on the end.

 

loneredtree

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May 27, 2011
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The pipe is made to come apart. The cap on the end of the shank is either a close fit or has "o"ring for a seal. It is not threaded. The bowl does have a screw that allows the bowl to be removed. I would freeze the pipe. then heat the shank to cause it to expand and remove the stem. the same for the cap. Good luck.
I have seen some Kirsten pipes that the parts have become stuck because they were not cleaned before storage. May be alcohol will penetrate the gap if soaked long enough.

 

martiniman

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I tried hot water assuming heat would expand and i got the stem out, now i'm soaking in alchahol then into the freezer tomorrow.....
Thanks for the help.
In researching i have a 1st generation without o rings.

 

martiniman

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alcohol - no good

freezer over night - no good

back to heating over a flame - no good.
lesson learned - when buying a Kirsten from eBay, ask if it comes apart.......

 

loneredtree

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May 27, 2011
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+1 Philip
If you are trying to remove the valve, what you called the cap, freeze the pipe first . Then warm the shank and not the valve. Then try to twist pull the valve. You might insert a rod/dowel from the stem end of the shank and gently push the valve out. Just some ideas. Good luck.I will take it if you can't make it work. :crying:

 

tbradsim1

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You might try vibration, if you have a palm sander, put a towel on pad, turn it on and vibrate shank, works sometimes. Tbradsim the old cajun

 

martiniman

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Is this a thread connection? the valve has ribs like it should be turned.
I haven't call Kirsten yet, I emailed them 2 days ago with no reply.

 

loneredtree

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May 27, 2011
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Martini: They will answer the phone but they did not answer my emails. I need to call them and see if they are going to start production. I have a pipe that some one took pliers to to get the valve out and he messed up the bowl attachment boss also.

I have fixed it up to operating condition. They are interesting to smoke.
The valve has ribs and a flat spot that lines up with a 1/4" hole. When the flat is top dead center, the pipe will draw through the bowl. When is off to the side the bowl is isolated from the shank or body of the pipe. You can then put the pipe bowl down in your pocket and not get liquid out the bowl.

 

dhintonca

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Dec 10, 2011
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If you can get the bowl off (usually no tools needed but you can use a screwdriver on the slots if needed) you can then fill it with alcohol (everclear by choice) and let it soak. This will often help. You can also try wrapping the valve with a cloth and using pliers -- carefully! There are no screw threads anywhere. Depending on vintage it's either metal on metal (old ones) or rubber o-ring on metal (newer ones).

 

loneredtree

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May 27, 2011
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I just got off the phone with Kirsten. They remove the stem. Insert a rod long enough to meet the front of the valve and pound the valve out.