the cyber monday was good to me. got peterson sh milverton with p-lip. only had a chance for a bowl so far. it was a different experience from fishtail. i think i like p-lip. it definitely help with tongue. draw was free, but using the diaphragm to pull seems to work better. much easier to sip. will have to use the pipe more to see how it works out in the long run. might need another pipe with p-lip to compare.